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> This kind of jounalism What kind? Accurate? Is it not true that these cases are increasing and deaths have happened in close succession? A lot of these vape

> This kind of jounalism What kind? Accurate? Is it not true that these cases are increasing and deaths have happened in close succession? A lot of these vape cartridges are being made with untested adulterants or solvents that we have no idea about, especially black market cartridges and counterfeits from other countries. Until there's more testing and regulation around what is actually in these things, they are in fact more dangerous than smoking in my opinion. Smoking causes all kinds of issues over the long term, but these vape cartridges are causing serious acute illnesses. Maybe more dangerous is the wrong word. Vaping, at this point, is way more _risky_ than smoking, given the acute possibilities.

52-6F-62 7y ago
To add to your comment, I’ve never flat out condemned vaping but I’ve always been skeptical. I was a smoker for almost ten years before I quit. After I quit my doctor ran some basic tests and blood work, etc. He told me that within 4-5 years my lungs would be as if I’d never smoked and that would also improve with regular exercise. That was about 4 years ago and I don’t feel the former construction in my lungs as I did back then. (Though I think I might have been a better singer, but there’s something to be said for warming up...) Anyway even after ten years of smoking and finally quitting my risk of any disease is extremely low—but only because I quit completely. The surge in popularity of vaping surely would draw in some less scrupulous device and cartridge manufacturers. Edit: Thought I should add a point of clarity here that I wouldn’t recommend cigarette smoking instead! Better off just to take a week away from work and hold up in bed if you’ve had a hard time kicking it. It’s those first couple of days that are the very worst.
EpicEng 7y ago
>What kind? Accurate? no, the type that omits relevant information in order to scare people. nearly every article I've seen talking about the dangers of vaping has failed to mention flaws in the studies that they cite, and there's never a follow-up. numerous articles were written citing a study that burned liquid at incredibly high temperatures. A person would never use a vape that way. In this case, we know that these people were vaping, but we have no cause. Another article came out today that found high amounts of vitamin e in THC oils these people were vaping[1]. I couldn't find a mention of that in the article. There are an estimated 10 million people who vape in this country. We have a tiny, tiny fraction who have demonstrable health issues related to it. in those cases it has almost always been a manufacturing issue, not an issue with vaping in general. I'm not trying to say it's perfectly safe, obviously that is unlikely to be the case, but cigarettes are absolutely going to kill you. [1]: https://beta.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/05/contaminant-found-vaping-products-linked-deadly-lung-illnesses-state-federal-labs-show/?outputType=amp https://beta.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/05/contaminan...
- notacoward 7y ago
  > it has almost always been a manufacturing issue "If you do it right, it's harmless." Problem is, people are doing it wrong. They do a lot of things wrong, and reporting on that is quite valid. People use guns wrong, but that doesn't mean there's anything improper about reporting on people being shot.
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dr_dshiv 7y ago
The NHS claims that smoking is 95% more likely to be more dangerous than vaping. Isn't that important issue to consider? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/vaping-quit-smoking-cigarettes-health-nhs-lung-damage-cancer-tobacco-a8701506.html%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/heal...

52-6F-62 7y ago

To add to your comment, I’ve never flat out condemned vaping but I’ve always been skeptical. I was a smoker for almost ten years before I quit. After I quit my doctor ran some basic tests and blood work, etc. He told me that within 4-5 years my lungs would be as if I’d never smoked and that would also improve with regular exercise. That was about 4 years ago and I don’t feel the former construction in my lungs as I did back then. (Though I think I might have been a better singer, but there’s something to be said for warming up...) Anyway even after ten years of smoking and finally quitting my risk of any disease is extremely low—but only because I quit completely. The surge in popularity of vaping surely would draw in some less scrupulous device and cartridge manufacturers. Edit: Thought I should add a point of clarity here that I wouldn’t recommend cigarette smoking instead! Better off just to take a week away from work and hold up in bed if you’ve had a hard time kicking it. It’s those first couple of days that are the very worst.

EpicEng 7y ago

>What kind? Accurate? no, the type that omits relevant information in order to scare people. nearly every article I've seen talking about the dangers of vaping has failed to mention flaws in the studies that they cite, and there's never a follow-up. numerous articles were written citing a study that burned liquid at incredibly high temperatures. A person would never use a vape that way. In this case, we know that these people were vaping, but we have no cause. Another article came out today that found high amounts of vitamin e in THC oils these people were vaping[1]. I couldn't find a mention of that in the article. There are an estimated 10 million people who vape in this country. We have a tiny, tiny fraction who have demonstrable health issues related to it. in those cases it has almost always been a manufacturing issue, not an issue with vaping in general. I'm not trying to say it's perfectly safe, obviously that is unlikely to be the case, but cigarettes are absolutely going to kill you. [1]: https://beta.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/05/contaminant-found-vaping-products-linked-deadly-lung-illnesses-state-federal-labs-show/?outputType=amp https://beta.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/05/contaminan...

notacoward 7y ago
> it has almost always been a manufacturing issue "If you do it right, it's harmless." Problem is, people are doing it wrong. They do a lot of things wrong, and reporting on that is quite valid. People use guns wrong, but that doesn't mean there's anything improper about reporting on people being shot.

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dr_dshiv 7y ago

The NHS claims that smoking is 95% more likely to be more dangerous than vaping. Isn't that important issue to consider? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/vaping-quit-smoking-cigarettes-health-nhs-lung-damage-cancer-tobacco-a8701506.html%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/heal...