You could also argue that that is a separate thing from programming. I don't at all mean to be to be snobbish here, just that it's useful to draw the line somew

You could also argue that that is a separate thing from programming. I don't at all mean to be to be snobbish here, just that it's useful to draw the line somewhere between there. Modeling is not programming. Architecture is not really, either, even if the process can involve programming.