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Sure, and it's an ancient car, by EV standards. I'd hope that a Porsche that nobody has taken delivery of yet and costs way more is better. Last time I was at

by rconti 7y ago

Sure, and it's an ancient car, by EV standards. I'd hope that a Porsche that nobody has taken delivery of yet and costs way more is better. Last time I was at the track (in my BMW M car, mind you) we had a couple of Model 3 Performance cars, and a couple of Model S. I could pass the Model S with ease. I couldn't get close to the Model 3 Performance.

adrr 7y ago
Model 3 performance needs ceramic brakes for the ring. Car is too heavy for the Brembos and it is at the limit for brake size.
- kenhwang 7y ago
  The Taycan currently only comes with two brake options: carbon surface coated brakes or full carbon ceramic brakes.
  - giobox 7y ago
    Porsche have said in many interviews the coating is for cosmetics rather than performance. Like most electric cars, when driving “normally” you don’t really ever touch the brakes as the energy regen that kicks in when you step off the accelerator pedal slows the car down so effectively. Porsche were worried the discs would develop unsightly surface corrosion from lack of use for some drivers - the coating keeps them looking good.
    - compiler-guy 7y ago
      The Taycan freewheels when you take your foot off the accelerator and only regenerates when you hit the brakes. This is quite different than most other electric cars.
      - kenhwang 7y ago
        That's just a default configuration difference. You can configure it to do lift-off regen if you like. There's also a camera based auto-regen mode that can switch between coasting and regen based on the distance to the car in front. Philosophically, Porsche believes it's easier to drive a car fast when one pedal is solely responsible for accelerating and one for braking. Having the throttle be responsible for acceleration and light braking makes it difficult to modulate speed consistently. You can even see the philosophy at work on their gasoline cars, in Sport+ mode the anti-lag system pretty much removes engine braking.
    - kenhwang 7y ago
      Primarily for cosmetics since it generates much less brake dust, but it's also has a shorter stopping distance due to increased coefficient of friction from increased contact area and seems to be more resistant to fade. https://thebrakereport.com/porsche-surface-coated-brake-pscb-will-debut-standard-feature-new-cayenne-turbo/ https://thebrakereport.com/porsche-surface-coated-brake-pscb...
Cshelton 7y ago
Which seems pretty reasonable...large family sedan vs a sports sedan. Besides, when the new Tesla roadster rolls out in 2020/2021, it is game over for everyone else anyway. At a price point of ~$200k, it'll kind of make the Porsche Taycan a joke. Unless you are a Porsche only individual. Which, to their credit, is a fairly sizable market.
- kenhwang 7y ago
  I'm skeptical Tesla can even roll out the Model Y before 2021. Meeting deadlines has never been their strong suit. Rimac pretty much stole the show in the electric supercar segment already.
- AndrewBissell 7y ago
  Tesla's capex spending is lower than their depreciation, meaning they're not investing enough to maintain their existing production lines. There is no way they will be rolling out any new models any time soon.
  - DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
    Additionally the MS and MX interiors are starting to get a bit dated compared to the ultra-sleek Model 3’s interior - the MS’s interior design is still fundamentally unchanged since 2012. They did upgrade the infotainment system in early 2018 though, but that’s invisible to users who don’t notice smoother framerates.
- tomatocracy 7y ago
  Replying here because I can't to child. Tesla's capex being lower than depreciation doesn't mean that they're not maintaining their production lines (but neither does it mean they're not - the two are largelty unrelated). Depreciation is set by accounting policy, not by how much maintenance capex you'd need to spend to keep the facility in the same condition.
  - fossuser 7y ago
    Side note, but when you see a missing reply option it's an attempt to slow down fast replies. You can still reply though, you just need to click on the time stamp above the comment and you'll get a reply box for that comment.

by rconti 7y ago

adrr 7y ago

Model 3 performance needs ceramic brakes for the ring. Car is too heavy for the Brembos and it is at the limit for brake size.

kenhwang 7y ago
The Taycan currently only comes with two brake options: carbon surface coated brakes or full carbon ceramic brakes.
- giobox 7y ago
  Porsche have said in many interviews the coating is for cosmetics rather than performance. Like most electric cars, when driving “normally” you don’t really ever touch the brakes as the energy regen that kicks in when you step off the accelerator pedal slows the car down so effectively. Porsche were worried the discs would develop unsightly surface corrosion from lack of use for some drivers - the coating keeps them looking good.
  - compiler-guy 7y ago
    The Taycan freewheels when you take your foot off the accelerator and only regenerates when you hit the brakes. This is quite different than most other electric cars.
    - kenhwang 7y ago
      That's just a default configuration difference. You can configure it to do lift-off regen if you like. There's also a camera based auto-regen mode that can switch between coasting and regen based on the distance to the car in front. Philosophically, Porsche believes it's easier to drive a car fast when one pedal is solely responsible for accelerating and one for braking. Having the throttle be responsible for acceleration and light braking makes it difficult to modulate speed consistently. You can even see the philosophy at work on their gasoline cars, in Sport+ mode the anti-lag system pretty much removes engine braking.
  - kenhwang 7y ago
    Primarily for cosmetics since it generates much less brake dust, but it's also has a shorter stopping distance due to increased coefficient of friction from increased contact area and seems to be more resistant to fade. https://thebrakereport.com/porsche-surface-coated-brake-pscb-will-debut-standard-feature-new-cayenne-turbo/ https://thebrakereport.com/porsche-surface-coated-brake-pscb...

Cshelton 7y ago

Which seems pretty reasonable...large family sedan vs a sports sedan. Besides, when the new Tesla roadster rolls out in 2020/2021, it is game over for everyone else anyway. At a price point of ~$200k, it'll kind of make the Porsche Taycan a joke. Unless you are a Porsche only individual. Which, to their credit, is a fairly sizable market.

kenhwang 7y ago
I'm skeptical Tesla can even roll out the Model Y before 2021. Meeting deadlines has never been their strong suit. Rimac pretty much stole the show in the electric supercar segment already.
AndrewBissell 7y ago
Tesla's capex spending is lower than their depreciation, meaning they're not investing enough to maintain their existing production lines. There is no way they will be rolling out any new models any time soon.
- DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
  Additionally the MS and MX interiors are starting to get a bit dated compared to the ultra-sleek Model 3’s interior - the MS’s interior design is still fundamentally unchanged since 2012. They did upgrade the infotainment system in early 2018 though, but that’s invisible to users who don’t notice smoother framerates.
tomatocracy 7y ago
Replying here because I can't to child. Tesla's capex being lower than depreciation doesn't mean that they're not maintaining their production lines (but neither does it mean they're not - the two are largelty unrelated). Depreciation is set by accounting policy, not by how much maintenance capex you'd need to spend to keep the facility in the same condition.
- fossuser 7y ago
  Side note, but when you see a missing reply option it's an attempt to slow down fast replies. You can still reply though, you just need to click on the time stamp above the comment and you'll get a reply box for that comment.