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No but the amount of poverty they have relative to my country is not even comparable and this just takes away money that could be used for that.

by notus 7y ago

justincase_120 7y ago
oh boy, how come scientists missed this. They should hire you immediately to ask such tough questions.
seph-reed 7y ago
Scientific industries are the natural habitat of some of the most amazing and rare humans in existence. To destroy their means of living for the sake of supporting a self-destructively prolific form of human seems like a really poor decision.
- shhshahassa 7y ago
  This is the strangest comment i've ever read. Using the term 'rare humans' non-ironically really gives me the creeps.
spai2 7y ago
Where do you think the money is going? Is it being spent within the Indian economy, or is cash being lifted to the moon?
- gingabriska 7y ago
  >Where do you think the money is going? Is it being spent within the Indian economy, or is cash being lifted to the moon? Meanwhile Indian economy is in downward spiral. Depending on one organization to change anything is a dangerous bet. They should be opening market so that we can have private space companies like SpaceX
umvi 7y ago
Believe it or not, you can't solve poverty by throwing money at poor people, as counter intuitive as it might seem.
- notus 7y ago
  yeah you can, pretty much every measure to mitigate poverty costs money, housing first, dietary education, food stamps, etc
  - interlocutor 7y ago
    There are poor people in every country. Can you name a country where every single citizen has housing, enough to eat, and good health? According to you all countries must stop all spending on space programs, since the money could be used for housing, food or health. The reality is that the amount of money spent on science is relatively miniscule, and no country can hope to advance without investing anything in science.
    - notus 7y ago
      > According to you all countries must stop all spending on space programs, since the money could be used for housing, food or health. No, only if they have a disproportionate amount of poverty relative to countries that have their shit together.
      - robofanatic 7y ago
        Out of 195 countries it will be only the 4th country to do this shit. So it must be doing some things right. Poverty is one of the problems it is still working on.
- stesch 7y ago
  They still get a lot of development aid from foreign countries. Germany approved new €765.02 million in 2018. That's hard to explain.
ganeshkrishnan 7y ago
> just takes away money ISRO makes more money than they spend. They usually launch satellites for private organizations and other governments. If I remember correctly, ISRO makes one of the most money per unit investment among all the indian governmental organizations.
irrational 7y ago
So, the people who are taking themselves and their families out of poverty by getting engineering degrees in rocket science should refuse to work designing and building rockets?
GordonS 7y ago
I guess most people downvoting and commenting against you have never been to India. I've travelled extensively, and I've spent a lot of time in India - nowhere else have I seen such an extreme juxtaposition of wealth with such abject poverty, squalor and misery. On multiple occasions I've had (Western) colleagues travel with me to India (outsourcing...), who simply couldn't cope with what they saw; there were tears, a realisation of complete futility, and promises never to return. I also have several Indian colleagues, some living temporarily in the west, some permanently, and some spread across India - every one I've asked about this is disgusted. The money India spent on this pointless endeavour is beyond reason; I can only imagine it's somehow politically motivated, just as the "aid" money that several western nations send to India undoubtedly is.
- ryacko 7y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-india-wheat/as-crops-rot-millions-go-hungry-in-india-idUKBRE8600KB20120701 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-india-wheat/as-crops-rot-... >Every day some 3,000 Indian children die from illnesses related to malnutrition, and yet countless heaps of rodent-infested wheat and rice are rotting in fields across the north of their own country. It barely requires any money to solve the worst problems India has. Or much of the third world.
- z3phyr 7y ago
  Lets say I am a student in India, and I want to become an aerospace engineer and work with space. I get all the relevant education, and I want to increase my nation's tech capability in the sector I specialize in. There are a lot of people like me. As I understand it, you want us to squash our dreams until some other specialist destroy ALL poverty and ALL the other problems? Why did the USA went to moon when they had not solved all their segregation and racism problems? Also, ISRO is profitable. They make more money then they spend, IDK what the problem is?
  - GordonS 7y ago
    > As I understand it, you want us to squash our dreams until some other specialist destroy ALL poverty and ALL the other problems? No, that's not what I said at all. It's all relative - the scale of poverty in India is simply staggering; so many people in India live below the poverty line in absolutely terrible conditions, lacking basic sanitation and access to education and health care. India has far bigger problems than having a space program (which AFAICS isn't even breaking new ground - what is even the point apart from reinventing the wheel?!). If you're lucky enough to train as an autospace engineer in India, is it somehow your right that you would expect your government to spend a fortune on a space program, while millions live in abject squalor and misery?

No but the amount of poverty they have relative to my country is not even comparable and this just takes away money that could be used for that.

by notus 7y ago

No but the amount of poverty they have relative to my country is not even comparable and this just takes away money that could be used for that.

justincase_120 7y ago

oh boy, how come scientists missed this. They should hire you immediately to ask such tough questions.

seph-reed 7y ago

Scientific industries are the natural habitat of some of the most amazing and rare humans in existence. To destroy their means of living for the sake of supporting a self-destructively prolific form of human seems like a really poor decision.

shhshahassa 7y ago
This is the strangest comment i've ever read. Using the term 'rare humans' non-ironically really gives me the creeps.

spai2 7y ago

Where do you think the money is going? Is it being spent within the Indian economy, or is cash being lifted to the moon?

gingabriska 7y ago
>Where do you think the money is going? Is it being spent within the Indian economy, or is cash being lifted to the moon? Meanwhile Indian economy is in downward spiral. Depending on one organization to change anything is a dangerous bet. They should be opening market so that we can have private space companies like SpaceX

umvi 7y ago

Believe it or not, you can't solve poverty by throwing money at poor people, as counter intuitive as it might seem.

notus 7y ago
yeah you can, pretty much every measure to mitigate poverty costs money, housing first, dietary education, food stamps, etc
- interlocutor 7y ago
  There are poor people in every country. Can you name a country where every single citizen has housing, enough to eat, and good health? According to you all countries must stop all spending on space programs, since the money could be used for housing, food or health. The reality is that the amount of money spent on science is relatively miniscule, and no country can hope to advance without investing anything in science.
  - notus 7y ago
    > According to you all countries must stop all spending on space programs, since the money could be used for housing, food or health. No, only if they have a disproportionate amount of poverty relative to countries that have their shit together.
    - robofanatic 7y ago
      Out of 195 countries it will be only the 4th country to do this shit. So it must be doing some things right. Poverty is one of the problems it is still working on.
stesch 7y ago
They still get a lot of development aid from foreign countries. Germany approved new €765.02 million in 2018. That's hard to explain.

ganeshkrishnan 7y ago

> just takes away money ISRO makes more money than they spend. They usually launch satellites for private organizations and other governments. If I remember correctly, ISRO makes one of the most money per unit investment among all the indian governmental organizations.

irrational 7y ago

So, the people who are taking themselves and their families out of poverty by getting engineering degrees in rocket science should refuse to work designing and building rockets?

GordonS 7y ago

I guess most people downvoting and commenting against you have never been to India. I've travelled extensively, and I've spent a lot of time in India - nowhere else have I seen such an extreme juxtaposition of wealth with such abject poverty, squalor and misery. On multiple occasions I've had (Western) colleagues travel with me to India (outsourcing...), who simply couldn't cope with what they saw; there were tears, a realisation of complete futility, and promises never to return. I also have several Indian colleagues, some living temporarily in the west, some permanently, and some spread across India - every one I've asked about this is disgusted. The money India spent on this pointless endeavour is beyond reason; I can only imagine it's somehow politically motivated, just as the "aid" money that several western nations send to India undoubtedly is.

ryacko 7y ago
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-india-wheat/as-crops-rot-millions-go-hungry-in-india-idUKBRE8600KB20120701 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-india-wheat/as-crops-rot-... >Every day some 3,000 Indian children die from illnesses related to malnutrition, and yet countless heaps of rodent-infested wheat and rice are rotting in fields across the north of their own country. It barely requires any money to solve the worst problems India has. Or much of the third world.
z3phyr 7y ago
Lets say I am a student in India, and I want to become an aerospace engineer and work with space. I get all the relevant education, and I want to increase my nation's tech capability in the sector I specialize in. There are a lot of people like me. As I understand it, you want us to squash our dreams until some other specialist destroy ALL poverty and ALL the other problems? Why did the USA went to moon when they had not solved all their segregation and racism problems? Also, ISRO is profitable. They make more money then they spend, IDK what the problem is?
- GordonS 7y ago
  > As I understand it, you want us to squash our dreams until some other specialist destroy ALL poverty and ALL the other problems? No, that's not what I said at all. It's all relative - the scale of poverty in India is simply staggering; so many people in India live below the poverty line in absolutely terrible conditions, lacking basic sanitation and access to education and health care. India has far bigger problems than having a space program (which AFAICS isn't even breaking new ground - what is even the point apart from reinventing the wheel?!). If you're lucky enough to train as an autospace engineer in India, is it somehow your right that you would expect your government to spend a fortune on a space program, while millions live in abject squalor and misery?