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&tldr; the scopes are controlled under ITAR and have been found to end up in locations outside of where it should be under ITAR. They are looking to locate scop

by mfer 7y ago

&tldr; the scopes are controlled under ITAR and have been found to end up in locations outside of where it should be under ITAR. They are looking to locate scopes where they shouldn't legally be. Given Apple and Google have location data on people (or at least Google does) the information for those using the App outside of the US or in ITAR restricted places could have been requested. Instead they went for all records. I hope this nuance isn't lost. I wonder if they are doing this under a pen register.

wcunning 7y ago
Where can I find a good primer on the powers of the feds with regard to ITAR enforcement? Have there been any law review articles discussing the powers relating to the contemporary systems like this with two parts and disable-able software (the scope is at least much less useful if you don't have the app)?
- post_break 7y ago
  The scope works perfectly without the app. Have used one. I believe apps don't fall under ITAR.
  - LyndsySimon 7y ago
    > I believe apps don't fall under ITAR. Looks like they do. The scopes this app works for are digital scopes, and don't use traditional intensifier tubes. I'm not sure enough of the technical specs to know if the night vision component meets the ITAR requirements, but the ballistic calculator certainly does: https://www.atncorp.com/x-sight2-hd-day-night-rifle-scope-3-14x https://www.atncorp.com/x-sight2-hd-day-night-rifle-scope-3-... Find what I believe to be the relevant ITAR sections that would classify the app as a "munition" below this line: ------------------- Category XII: (c) Imaging systems or end items, as follows: [...] (c)(2) Weapon sights (i.e., with a reticle) or aiming or imaging systems (e.g., clip-on), specially designed to mount to a weapon or to withstand weapon shock or recoil, with or without an integrated viewer or display, and also incorporating or specially designed to incorporate any of the following: [...] (c)(2)(iii) Ballistic computing electronics for adjusting the aim point display; or [...] (x) Commodities, software, and technology subject to the EAR (see §120.42 of this subchapter) used in or with defense articles controlled in this category.
  - captainredbeard 7y ago
    They certainly do, c.f. encryption questions during App Store upload.
LyndsySimon 7y ago
I'd like to point out that ITAR has had a negative impact on the tech world and privacy rights in the past as well. ITAR is the law that restricts the export of encryption, and is what Phil Zimmermann was dealing with during the PGP fiasco. ITAR is also the law that Defense Distributed and similar organizations/individuals are dealing with in distributing 3D models of firearms.

by mfer 7y ago

wcunning 7y ago

Where can I find a good primer on the powers of the feds with regard to ITAR enforcement? Have there been any law review articles discussing the powers relating to the contemporary systems like this with two parts and disable-able software (the scope is at least much less useful if you don't have the app)?

post_break 7y ago
The scope works perfectly without the app. Have used one. I believe apps don't fall under ITAR.
- LyndsySimon 7y ago
  > I believe apps don't fall under ITAR. Looks like they do. The scopes this app works for are digital scopes, and don't use traditional intensifier tubes. I'm not sure enough of the technical specs to know if the night vision component meets the ITAR requirements, but the ballistic calculator certainly does: https://www.atncorp.com/x-sight2-hd-day-night-rifle-scope-3-14x https://www.atncorp.com/x-sight2-hd-day-night-rifle-scope-3-... Find what I believe to be the relevant ITAR sections that would classify the app as a "munition" below this line: ------------------- Category XII: (c) Imaging systems or end items, as follows: [...] (c)(2) Weapon sights (i.e., with a reticle) or aiming or imaging systems (e.g., clip-on), specially designed to mount to a weapon or to withstand weapon shock or recoil, with or without an integrated viewer or display, and also incorporating or specially designed to incorporate any of the following: [...] (c)(2)(iii) Ballistic computing electronics for adjusting the aim point display; or [...] (x) Commodities, software, and technology subject to the EAR (see §120.42 of this subchapter) used in or with defense articles controlled in this category.
- captainredbeard 7y ago
  They certainly do, c.f. encryption questions during App Store upload.

LyndsySimon 7y ago

I'd like to point out that ITAR has had a negative impact on the tech world and privacy rights in the past as well. ITAR is the law that restricts the export of encryption, and is what Phil Zimmermann was dealing with during the PGP fiasco. ITAR is also the law that Defense Distributed and similar organizations/individuals are dealing with in distributing 3D models of firearms.