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And the current situation with iOS is an even bigger catastrophe for society. I don't think the problem is copying per se... the problem is that Apple is just

And the current situation with iOS is an even bigger catastrophe for society. I don't think the problem is copying per se... the problem is that Apple is just too big, too powerful, to be good for society. Apple should be broken up.

zepto 7y ago
A catastrophe for the average user is a catastrophe for society. Apple has solved that problem and you haven’t articulated what is wrong.
- damnyou 7y ago
  Average users are not the only people that matter, despite what Robert Bork wants you to think. What is wrong is the concentration of power within a company answerable only to shareholders. Even democratically elected governments need to be heavily scrutinized for abuses of power.
  - zepto 7y ago
    You still haven’t articulated what is wrong. Corporations are answerable to their customers, their shareholders, and the law. Your premise that they are only answerable to their shareholders is simply false. But regardless - you have articulated no catastrophe for society. All you have stated is an ideology about power itself being bad. If you break up all the big US companies, there are plenty of big companies outside the US who will happily take their business and power.
scarface74 7y ago
Yes because most people really care about root access. Are you really saying that the current state of PCs and Android to a lesser extent with viruses, ransomware, etc is better for the average user? I download things silly nilly on iOS because I trust the sandbox. I won’t download random crap on my computer. Apple has less than 20% of the mobile phone market.
- damnyou 7y ago
  How convenient for Apple fans to talk about "profit share" when app stores are discussed and "market share" when antitrust comes up. I'm saying that the "benevolent dictator" model that Apple is following results in a concentration of power that is ipso facto bad for society and that Apple should be broken up. If Apple must survive in its current form it should be placed under democratic control, not under shareholder control, and should be subject to the checks and balances of a judicial system. Ultimately, Apple should not be the only party to have a say in what's allowed on its platforms, just like the president is not the only person to have a say in who's allowed into the country.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Guess what? Every console maker gets to decide what is allowed on their platform - it’s been that way since the early 80s. Should they be broken up to? And “society” doesn’t care about “openness”. Do you really think most iOS users are worried about not being able to get apps outside of the App Store?
    - damnyou 7y ago
      Microsoft should be broken up too, yes. But a phone OS is much more powerful than a console platform. Elizabeth Warren certainly cares about this, thankfully.

zepto 7y ago

A catastrophe for the average user is a catastrophe for society. Apple has solved that problem and you haven’t articulated what is wrong.

damnyou 7y ago
Average users are not the only people that matter, despite what Robert Bork wants you to think. What is wrong is the concentration of power within a company answerable only to shareholders. Even democratically elected governments need to be heavily scrutinized for abuses of power.
- zepto 7y ago
  You still haven’t articulated what is wrong. Corporations are answerable to their customers, their shareholders, and the law. Your premise that they are only answerable to their shareholders is simply false. But regardless - you have articulated no catastrophe for society. All you have stated is an ideology about power itself being bad. If you break up all the big US companies, there are plenty of big companies outside the US who will happily take their business and power.

scarface74 7y ago

Yes because most people really care about root access. Are you really saying that the current state of PCs and Android to a lesser extent with viruses, ransomware, etc is better for the average user? I download things silly nilly on iOS because I trust the sandbox. I won’t download random crap on my computer. Apple has less than 20% of the mobile phone market.

damnyou 7y ago
How convenient for Apple fans to talk about "profit share" when app stores are discussed and "market share" when antitrust comes up. I'm saying that the "benevolent dictator" model that Apple is following results in a concentration of power that is ipso facto bad for society and that Apple should be broken up. If Apple must survive in its current form it should be placed under democratic control, not under shareholder control, and should be subject to the checks and balances of a judicial system. Ultimately, Apple should not be the only party to have a say in what's allowed on its platforms, just like the president is not the only person to have a say in who's allowed into the country.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Guess what? Every console maker gets to decide what is allowed on their platform - it’s been that way since the early 80s. Should they be broken up to? And “society” doesn’t care about “openness”. Do you really think most iOS users are worried about not being able to get apps outside of the App Store?
  - damnyou 7y ago
    Microsoft should be broken up too, yes. But a phone OS is much more powerful than a console platform. Elizabeth Warren certainly cares about this, thankfully.