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What's with the non zero axis graphs? This kind of things immediately taints the presentation. https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14851/IMG_20190906_111056.jpg

by mda 7y ago

What's with the non zero axis graphs? This kind of things immediately taints the presentation. https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14851/IMG_20190906_111056.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14851/IMG_20190906_111056.... https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14851/2019-09-06%2011.01.03.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14851/2019-09-06%2011.01.0...

cm2187 7y ago
I mind less non zero axis graphs than no unit graphs.
- xxxpupugo 7y ago
  Apple is doing this for ages....Like how they demonstrate Swift is faster than Python, lol
- wtallis 7y ago
  Starting the axis somewhere other than zero may be forgivable for some types of graph, but bar charts aren't one of them.
make3 7y ago
They made no effort to be truthful. Now I don't believe anything in that presentation.
- jws 7y ago
  Printing the actual data values on the bars seems to contradict "no effort to be truthful". Just accept the bar graphs as the decorative ornaments that they are in the presentation. Even stripped of scales or origins the three bar graph manages to convey relative improvements, very much a Monty Python Black Knight move on its part.
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saagarjha 7y ago
And the first image doesn't even have units…
aloknnikhil 7y ago
For a keynote, I'm ok with the no axis graphs. It's technically not even trying to be a "graph". Just a comparison graphic. But units are a must.
- SahAssar 7y ago
  In this case the information is more misleading because it is on a graph than it would be with just numbers. How can it be a good "comparison graphic" when the graphic part of it impedes my ability to make a comparison?
navigatesol 7y ago
>What's with the non zero axis graphs? It's how you emphasize a change in the series, and is an acceptable method provided you aren't intentionally misleading. Context matters.
- mda 7y ago
  If you look at the presentations, they are comparing only 2 or 3 values, so graph itself is meaningless because visual delta between two values does not mean anything.
  - noselasd 7y ago
    How so ? One is showing power consumptions in milliamperes, the other is score marks in GFXBench - both of which should be quite meaningful. Ofcourse you have to know what GFXBench is measuring.
    - SahAssar 7y ago
      What information is the graph actually showing? That number X increased, sure, but not in any way by how much. By not having a labeled Y-axis, and not having the y-axis start at zero it is basically meaningless from a communication standpoint. It might be effective from a marketing standpoint, but only in the misleading way.

by mda 7y ago

cm2187 7y ago

I mind less non zero axis graphs than no unit graphs.

xxxpupugo 7y ago
Apple is doing this for ages....Like how they demonstrate Swift is faster than Python, lol
wtallis 7y ago
Starting the axis somewhere other than zero may be forgivable for some types of graph, but bar charts aren't one of them.

make3 7y ago

They made no effort to be truthful. Now I don't believe anything in that presentation.

jws 7y ago
Printing the actual data values on the bars seems to contradict "no effort to be truthful". Just accept the bar graphs as the decorative ornaments that they are in the presentation. Even stripped of scales or origins the three bar graph manages to convey relative improvements, very much a Monty Python Black Knight move on its part.
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saagarjha 7y ago

And the first image doesn't even have units…

aloknnikhil 7y ago

For a keynote, I'm ok with the no axis graphs. It's technically not even trying to be a "graph". Just a comparison graphic. But units are a must.

SahAssar 7y ago
In this case the information is more misleading because it is on a graph than it would be with just numbers. How can it be a good "comparison graphic" when the graphic part of it impedes my ability to make a comparison?

navigatesol 7y ago

>What's with the non zero axis graphs? It's how you emphasize a change in the series, and is an acceptable method provided you aren't intentionally misleading. Context matters.

mda 7y ago
If you look at the presentations, they are comparing only 2 or 3 values, so graph itself is meaningless because visual delta between two values does not mean anything.
- noselasd 7y ago
  How so ? One is showing power consumptions in milliamperes, the other is score marks in GFXBench - both of which should be quite meaningful. Ofcourse you have to know what GFXBench is measuring.
  - SahAssar 7y ago
    What information is the graph actually showing? That number X increased, sure, but not in any way by how much. By not having a labeled Y-axis, and not having the y-axis start at zero it is basically meaningless from a communication standpoint. It might be effective from a marketing standpoint, but only in the misleading way.