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Same goes for solar panel/roof installation, backup battery installation, burying power lines to improve storm resilience, etc. There's no shortage of infrastru

Same goes for solar panel/roof installation, backup battery installation, burying power lines to improve storm resilience, etc. There's no shortage of infrastructure that needs to be built to modernize our system. Trying to artificially protect jobs in one industry while there's a huge labor shortage in much more productive things like infrastructure modernization or housing construction seems like the antithesis of an efficient market.

mr_overalls 7y ago
Agreed. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, my family lived without electricity for two weeks. We depended on our gasoline-powered truck to procure food and water, transport an ailing grandmother for medical care, and generally survive. If we and others had depended on the existing electrical infrastructure to power our vehicles, we would have been completely screwed. A chaotic, uncomfortable situation would have become truly dangerous.
- dzhiurgis 7y ago
  Or your car could power your house for a week...
  - pnutjam 7y ago
    If it was hybrid, but those seem less common now. Everything is pointing towards fully electric.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - rhacker 7y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=generator+on+car+for+ac&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS765US765&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwioifeGoL3kAhWyOn0KHclVBW8Q_AUIEygC&biw=1440&bih=708 https://www.google.com/search?q=generator+on+car+for+ac&rlz=... Or this kind of hybrid?
    - rstuart4133 7y ago
      Our house uses 12kw hour per day, or 84kw hour per week. A Tesla model S has up to 100kw hour battery.
- benkuykendall 7y ago
  I appreciate that use of your vehicles was essential for you during the aftermath of Katrina. But I don't think emergency situations are a good enough rational for using a gasoline-powered car every day. As in many computer science problems, there are benefits from treating the worst case (e.g. medical transport after a natural disaster) and the average case (e.g. commuting to work) separately. In general, I suspect electric is better in the average case, and gasoline in the case of emergencies. We see this with household power: most people power their houses with electricity, but may use a gas backup generator. For the similar reasons, we should probably drive electric cars to work but continue using gasoline-powered ambulances.
dzhiurgis 7y ago
Infrastructure projects are heavily regulated by corrupt politicians, to the point where most of housing cost is basically regulation...
- yardie 7y ago
  New housing costs are still labor and materials, but regulations does come in a close third.
  - dzhiurgis 7y ago
    I think it’s mostly land which inflated due to lack of consent...
afiori 7y ago
The amount of jobs created is partially irrelevant if the now unemployed workers do not have access to them. If you close a factory in city X and open 2 400km away in city Y people in city X strictly lost jobs.

mr_overalls 7y ago

Agreed. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, my family lived without electricity for two weeks. We depended on our gasoline-powered truck to procure food and water, transport an ailing grandmother for medical care, and generally survive. If we and others had depended on the existing electrical infrastructure to power our vehicles, we would have been completely screwed. A chaotic, uncomfortable situation would have become truly dangerous.

dzhiurgis 7y ago
Or your car could power your house for a week...
- pnutjam 7y ago
  If it was hybrid, but those seem less common now. Everything is pointing towards fully electric.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - rhacker 7y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=generator+on+car+for+ac&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS765US765&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwioifeGoL3kAhWyOn0KHclVBW8Q_AUIEygC&biw=1440&bih=708 https://www.google.com/search?q=generator+on+car+for+ac&rlz=... Or this kind of hybrid?
  - rstuart4133 7y ago
    Our house uses 12kw hour per day, or 84kw hour per week. A Tesla model S has up to 100kw hour battery.
benkuykendall 7y ago
I appreciate that use of your vehicles was essential for you during the aftermath of Katrina. But I don't think emergency situations are a good enough rational for using a gasoline-powered car every day. As in many computer science problems, there are benefits from treating the worst case (e.g. medical transport after a natural disaster) and the average case (e.g. commuting to work) separately. In general, I suspect electric is better in the average case, and gasoline in the case of emergencies. We see this with household power: most people power their houses with electricity, but may use a gas backup generator. For the similar reasons, we should probably drive electric cars to work but continue using gasoline-powered ambulances.

dzhiurgis 7y ago

Infrastructure projects are heavily regulated by corrupt politicians, to the point where most of housing cost is basically regulation...

yardie 7y ago
New housing costs are still labor and materials, but regulations does come in a close third.
- dzhiurgis 7y ago
  I think it’s mostly land which inflated due to lack of consent...

afiori 7y ago

The amount of jobs created is partially irrelevant if the now unemployed workers do not have access to them. If you close a factory in city X and open 2 400km away in city Y people in city X strictly lost jobs.