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I doubt VW will be able to compete with Tesla in the near term on EV's. Look at the Taycan for example. It's a nice looking car but unless you had brand loyal

I doubt VW will be able to compete with Tesla in the near term on EV's. Look at the Taycan for example. It's a nice looking car but unless you had brand loyalty to Porsche it doesn't stack up against the Model S. It's slower in both acceleration and top speed, has less range and for that less good car you pay a lot more money. VWs struggle is going to be producing a car that can compete on specs with Tesla at a similar price point. They just don't have the battery cost advantage that Tesla has spent the last decade building.

clouddrover 7y ago
> I doubt VW will be able to compete with Tesla in the near term on EV's. Volkswagen sells EVs cheaper than any Tesla and Volkswagen also sells EVs more expensive than any Tesla, which is the point. The selection of EVs from Volkswagen is already broader than what Tesla offers. The Porsche Taycan's Nürburgring lap time of 7:42 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m31EgQkswg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m31EgQkswg) has apparently provoked Tesla into doing a lap in the Model S next week: https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-race-track-beat-porsche-taycan/ https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-rac... > They just don't have the battery cost advantage that Tesla has spent the last decade building. The Volkswagen ID.3 will be cheaper than the equivalent range Tesla Model 3. The base model ID.3 (330km WLTP) will be around 30,000 euros, the midrange ID.3 (420km WLTP) will be around 40,000 euros, and I haven't seen pricing for the long range model (550km WLTP) but let's guess 50,000 euros. Volkswagen is officially launching the ID.3 in a few days. They might announce the final pricing then.
- ttkari 7y ago
  It's well known that the Teslas are no good on race tracks as they typically cannot complete even a single hot lap without overheating. In this respect the Taycan is in an entirely different class, it has higher voltage electrics (800V) which allows it to run at sustained high power for much longer periods. Of course, Musk will likely have the overheating protections disabled on the test car to keep the fanboys happy. Without that the Model S has no chance to beat the Taycan.
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clouddrover 7y ago

> I doubt VW will be able to compete with Tesla in the near term on EV's. Volkswagen sells EVs cheaper than any Tesla and Volkswagen also sells EVs more expensive than any Tesla, which is the point. The selection of EVs from Volkswagen is already broader than what Tesla offers. The Porsche Taycan's Nürburgring lap time of 7:42 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m31EgQkswg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m31EgQkswg) has apparently provoked Tesla into doing a lap in the Model S next week: https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-race-track-beat-porsche-taycan/ https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-rac... > They just don't have the battery cost advantage that Tesla has spent the last decade building. The Volkswagen ID.3 will be cheaper than the equivalent range Tesla Model 3. The base model ID.3 (330km WLTP) will be around 30,000 euros, the midrange ID.3 (420km WLTP) will be around 40,000 euros, and I haven't seen pricing for the long range model (550km WLTP) but let's guess 50,000 euros. Volkswagen is officially launching the ID.3 in a few days. They might announce the final pricing then.

ttkari 7y ago
It's well known that the Teslas are no good on race tracks as they typically cannot complete even a single hot lap without overheating. In this respect the Taycan is in an entirely different class, it has higher voltage electrics (800V) which allows it to run at sustained high power for much longer periods. Of course, Musk will likely have the overheating protections disabled on the test car to keep the fanboys happy. Without that the Model S has no chance to beat the Taycan.

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