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Soviet bureaucracy at its finest.

dwd 7y ago
I thought the advanced team quickly building a log cabin to sleep in was very Russian. I knew a guy years ago who kind-of described it as a right of passage that you would take a trip out into the woods and build your own cabin/dacha. A Finnish friend sent me his pictures of building his, including the obligatory sauna.
- grenoire 7y ago
  It might be that Russians cooperate very well (I do definitely agree on that), but as the organisation grows bigger, it is definitely very Russian to not be able to do anything.
  - nephrite 7y ago
    It's not a Russian trait, it's a common bureaucratic trait, and Soviet Union was bureaucratized over any sane limits.
    - avmich 7y ago
      One of signatures of Henry Spencer ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer ) looks like this: -- Americans proved to be more bureaucratic | Henry Spencer than I ever thought. --Valery Ryumin, RKK Energia | henry@zoo.toronto.edu https://yarchive.net/space/rocket/fuels/hydrogen.html https://yarchive.net/space/rocket/fuels/hydrogen.html
  - nenadg 7y ago
    russians (and other citizens of soviet union) transitioned from serfdom to (at the time) bleeding edge political system. It required tremendeous amounts of bureaucracy in order to enforce ex-serfs not to get any funny ideas about their current 'freedom'.
    - cbnotfromthere 7y ago
      "russians (and other citizens of soviet union) transitioned from serfdom to (at the time) bleeding edge political system" This is a VERY unfortunate way to distort the truth. Bolshevism was just another versions of slavery / serfdom. The liberal democracy, as practiced in the West, was actually bleeding edge: commoners having rights and exercising them.
- svat 7y ago
  Wow, just realized English has two phrases that are homonyms but mean very different things: • “rite of passage” = “a ceremony or event marking an important stage in someone's life”, “when an individual leaves one group to enter another”. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rite_of_passage&oldid=899988431 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rite_of_passage&o...) • “right of passage” = right of way, “(approximately) a country's right for its ships to pass through the territorial seas of foreign states and straits used for international navigation”. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Right_of_passage&oldid=871361355 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Right_of_passage&...) Seems to be more often a typo for “rite of passage”.
  - dwd 7y ago
    Yes, rite of passage. Not sure how I managed to type the wrong spelling, brain seeming a bit glitchy.

dwd 7y ago

I thought the advanced team quickly building a log cabin to sleep in was very Russian. I knew a guy years ago who kind-of described it as a right of passage that you would take a trip out into the woods and build your own cabin/dacha. A Finnish friend sent me his pictures of building his, including the obligatory sauna.

grenoire 7y ago
It might be that Russians cooperate very well (I do definitely agree on that), but as the organisation grows bigger, it is definitely very Russian to not be able to do anything.
- nephrite 7y ago
  It's not a Russian trait, it's a common bureaucratic trait, and Soviet Union was bureaucratized over any sane limits.
  - avmich 7y ago
    One of signatures of Henry Spencer ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer ) looks like this: -- Americans proved to be more bureaucratic | Henry Spencer than I ever thought. --Valery Ryumin, RKK Energia | henry@zoo.toronto.edu https://yarchive.net/space/rocket/fuels/hydrogen.html https://yarchive.net/space/rocket/fuels/hydrogen.html
- nenadg 7y ago
  russians (and other citizens of soviet union) transitioned from serfdom to (at the time) bleeding edge political system. It required tremendeous amounts of bureaucracy in order to enforce ex-serfs not to get any funny ideas about their current 'freedom'.
  - cbnotfromthere 7y ago
    "russians (and other citizens of soviet union) transitioned from serfdom to (at the time) bleeding edge political system" This is a VERY unfortunate way to distort the truth. Bolshevism was just another versions of slavery / serfdom. The liberal democracy, as practiced in the West, was actually bleeding edge: commoners having rights and exercising them.
svat 7y ago
Wow, just realized English has two phrases that are homonyms but mean very different things: • “rite of passage” = “a ceremony or event marking an important stage in someone's life”, “when an individual leaves one group to enter another”. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rite_of_passage&oldid=899988431 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rite_of_passage&o...) • “right of passage” = right of way, “(approximately) a country's right for its ships to pass through the territorial seas of foreign states and straits used for international navigation”. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Right_of_passage&oldid=871361355 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Right_of_passage&...) Seems to be more often a typo for “rite of passage”.
- dwd 7y ago
  Yes, rite of passage. Not sure how I managed to type the wrong spelling, brain seeming a bit glitchy.