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Google doesn't actually use Kubernetes much, so the "operation hardened internally" argument isn't valid.

by kjgkjhfkjf 7y ago

s_Hogg 7y ago
source?
- Legogris 7y ago
  Anecdotal, but I know a guy working as a senior Engineer at Google with some central server-side components for the Android ecosystem. He had barely heard the word Kubernetes when we last spoke, let alone knew what it was.
  - aflag 7y ago
    For the record, the Google developers I know also don't use it and generally don't care about it. But it's a big company, I'm sure they have a few users
hilem 7y ago
Kubernetes is based on Borg which Google uses extensively internally.
- ahupp 7y ago
  "inspired by" borg. It's not the same codebase.
  - hilem 7y ago
    I didn't say it was the same codebase. "Inspired" may be more accurate but the point still remains that the concepts in Kubernetes have a direct path to the concepts in Borg.
flukus 7y ago
This reminds me of Joel Spolsky's fire and motion piece (https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/). To paraphrase a little bit: > Fire and Motion. You move towards the enemy while firing your weapon. The firing forces him to keep his head down so he can’t fire at you. ... The companies who stumble are the ones who spend too much time reading tea leaves to figure out the future direction of Google. People get worried about kubernetes and decide to rewrite their whole architecture for kubernetes because they think they have to. Google is shooting at you, and it’s just cover fire so that they can move forward and you can’t
- aitchnyu 7y ago
  Felt the same about Polymer. Starry eyed devs open a pre-webpack build terminal, import the if (no else!) and for keywords, build dom nodes manually and tolerate a terrible debugging experience. Youtube loads a few seconds slower in Firefox, since it gets served a polyfil of a runtime and a slower build; Chrome had a head start with a native runtime. Sites built by starry eyed developers simply break on Firefox.
shaklee3 7y ago
Perhaps @thockin can comment since this was on his Twitter some time ago, but I believe Google is starting to use it more and more internally. He would know, since he's been involved since the beginning.

Google doesn't actually use Kubernetes much, so the "operation hardened internally" argument isn't valid.

s_Hogg 7y ago

source?

Legogris 7y ago
Anecdotal, but I know a guy working as a senior Engineer at Google with some central server-side components for the Android ecosystem. He had barely heard the word Kubernetes when we last spoke, let alone knew what it was.
- aflag 7y ago
  For the record, the Google developers I know also don't use it and generally don't care about it. But it's a big company, I'm sure they have a few users

hilem 7y ago

Kubernetes is based on Borg which Google uses extensively internally.

ahupp 7y ago
"inspired by" borg. It's not the same codebase.
- hilem 7y ago
  I didn't say it was the same codebase. "Inspired" may be more accurate but the point still remains that the concepts in Kubernetes have a direct path to the concepts in Borg.

flukus 7y ago

This reminds me of Joel Spolsky's fire and motion piece (https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/). To paraphrase a little bit: > Fire and Motion. You move towards the enemy while firing your weapon. The firing forces him to keep his head down so he can’t fire at you. ... The companies who stumble are the ones who spend too much time reading tea leaves to figure out the future direction of Google. People get worried about kubernetes and decide to rewrite their whole architecture for kubernetes because they think they have to. Google is shooting at you, and it’s just cover fire so that they can move forward and you can’t

aitchnyu 7y ago
Felt the same about Polymer. Starry eyed devs open a pre-webpack build terminal, import the if (no else!) and for keywords, build dom nodes manually and tolerate a terrible debugging experience. Youtube loads a few seconds slower in Firefox, since it gets served a polyfil of a runtime and a slower build; Chrome had a head start with a native runtime. Sites built by starry eyed developers simply break on Firefox.

shaklee3 7y ago

Perhaps @thockin can comment since this was on his Twitter some time ago, but I believe Google is starting to use it more and more internally. He would know, since he's been involved since the beginning.