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> Not one graffiti in sight – a byproduct of respect for public spaces. I, for one, enjoy the occasional graffiti. Especially if it's poetic or clever. I enjoy

> Not one graffiti in sight – a byproduct of respect for public spaces. I, for one, enjoy the occasional graffiti. Especially if it's poetic or clever. I enjoy the rebelliousness.

parsimo2010 7y ago
Japan has lots of artistic expression that doesn't degrade someone else's property. They have a strong tradition of craftsmanship, and there are handmade things all over that are just oozing with skill. Their manhole covers are even artistic. I suppose that if you really wanted a rebellious display in public then the Japanese culture isn't for you. But if you want poetic and clever art then you just need to look.
- aaron695 7y ago
  > Their manhole covers are even artistic. When in Japan pre internet and it was well documented I photographed all the different manhole's I saw. 9 in total over 2 weeks, over a lot of leg work us being tourists. Most I'd imagine still look the same today. Not really artistic in a western sense where change and variety in art is admired by the millions of inhabitants around it. Also doesn't really mesh with pop psychology where things (static art) have less value compared to experiences (vibrant art scene).
ekianjo 7y ago
Would you like your home to be ravaged by the random graffiti that you did not ask for?
- whytaka 7y ago
  It had been once. I laughed. But I can agree that it’s less enjoyable on residential property.
- Xelbair 7y ago
  Depends If it is a monocolored tag made by random kid? I wouldn't. If it was something that took skill to do, even a tag? why not, if i found that person i would pay them to make something awesome on my wall.
  - loco5niner 7y ago
    And then some random person spray-paints that wall...
- 171243 7y ago
  HN is funny. There is always a response to questions posed in this manner explaining why some extraordinary circumstance is true rather than just agreeing with the premise raised by your question. There was a question posed the other day "What car could you possibly be driving that would mean 10% of your driving tickets is a number greater than 1?" Instead of saying the figure may have been an exaggeration the answer was basically, "I drive a racecar."
faissaloo 7y ago
While I can appreciate more confrontational art it should be noted that they are signs of a profoundly sick society
- dondawest 7y ago
  Disagree, even Ancient Rome had graffiti. As did caves. Are you trying to say that humans in caves had “profoundly sick societies?” Graffiti is a natural instinct. REPRESSING that instinct signals a sick society.
  - faissaloo 7y ago
    I don't believe Rome is a great example of a healthy society, and the presence of some graffiti isn't the same as it being widespread. Caves are an entirely different context entirely, I wouldn't consider all wall art to be graffiti. All good societies repress certain inclinations because they understand they cause harm to others. A sick society inclines people towards damaging the structures built around them because they see those structures as symbolising their own oppression in some capacity.
    - dondawest 7y ago
      >Caves are an entirely different context Respectfully disagree. >A sick society inclines people towards damaging the structures built around them because they see those structures as symbolising their own oppression in some capacity. If you don’t think oppression exists, and that it can be symbolized by structures, I don’t know what to tell you. Are you against the toppling of sculptures of Saddam Hussein? What do you think of advertising? Do you not consider billboards “damaging to structures”? How do you think advertising differs from graffiti and do you really find advertising non-oppressive? No ad agencies ask my permission to assault my visual field with a billboard, and neither do graffiti artists. All’s fair in art and war.
      - faissaloo 7y ago
        >If you don’t think oppression exists, and that it can be symbolized by structures, I don’t know what to tell you. I said the exact opposite. The advertising industry shouldn't exist and neither should statues of anyone let alone tyrants like Saddam.

> Not one graffiti in sight – a byproduct of respect for public spaces. I, for one, enjoy the occasional graffiti. Especially if it's poetic or clever. I enjoy the rebelliousness.

parsimo2010 7y ago

Japan has lots of artistic expression that doesn't degrade someone else's property. They have a strong tradition of craftsmanship, and there are handmade things all over that are just oozing with skill. Their manhole covers are even artistic. I suppose that if you really wanted a rebellious display in public then the Japanese culture isn't for you. But if you want poetic and clever art then you just need to look.

aaron695 7y ago
> Their manhole covers are even artistic. When in Japan pre internet and it was well documented I photographed all the different manhole's I saw. 9 in total over 2 weeks, over a lot of leg work us being tourists. Most I'd imagine still look the same today. Not really artistic in a western sense where change and variety in art is admired by the millions of inhabitants around it. Also doesn't really mesh with pop psychology where things (static art) have less value compared to experiences (vibrant art scene).

ekianjo 7y ago

Would you like your home to be ravaged by the random graffiti that you did not ask for?

whytaka 7y ago
It had been once. I laughed. But I can agree that it’s less enjoyable on residential property.
Xelbair 7y ago
Depends If it is a monocolored tag made by random kid? I wouldn't. If it was something that took skill to do, even a tag? why not, if i found that person i would pay them to make something awesome on my wall.
- loco5niner 7y ago
  And then some random person spray-paints that wall...
171243 7y ago
HN is funny. There is always a response to questions posed in this manner explaining why some extraordinary circumstance is true rather than just agreeing with the premise raised by your question. There was a question posed the other day "What car could you possibly be driving that would mean 10% of your driving tickets is a number greater than 1?" Instead of saying the figure may have been an exaggeration the answer was basically, "I drive a racecar."

faissaloo 7y ago

While I can appreciate more confrontational art it should be noted that they are signs of a profoundly sick society

dondawest 7y ago
Disagree, even Ancient Rome had graffiti. As did caves. Are you trying to say that humans in caves had “profoundly sick societies?” Graffiti is a natural instinct. REPRESSING that instinct signals a sick society.
- faissaloo 7y ago
  I don't believe Rome is a great example of a healthy society, and the presence of some graffiti isn't the same as it being widespread. Caves are an entirely different context entirely, I wouldn't consider all wall art to be graffiti. All good societies repress certain inclinations because they understand they cause harm to others. A sick society inclines people towards damaging the structures built around them because they see those structures as symbolising their own oppression in some capacity.
  - dondawest 7y ago
    >Caves are an entirely different context Respectfully disagree. >A sick society inclines people towards damaging the structures built around them because they see those structures as symbolising their own oppression in some capacity. If you don’t think oppression exists, and that it can be symbolized by structures, I don’t know what to tell you. Are you against the toppling of sculptures of Saddam Hussein? What do you think of advertising? Do you not consider billboards “damaging to structures”? How do you think advertising differs from graffiti and do you really find advertising non-oppressive? No ad agencies ask my permission to assault my visual field with a billboard, and neither do graffiti artists. All’s fair in art and war.
    - faissaloo 7y ago
      >If you don’t think oppression exists, and that it can be symbolized by structures, I don’t know what to tell you. I said the exact opposite. The advertising industry shouldn't exist and neither should statues of anyone let alone tyrants like Saddam.