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I’m surprised. I haven’t heard anything about Ember in years. Not since 2013 or so.

tuvan 7y ago
I guess it is still a liked tool, I also read about Riot Games using it for the redone client of League of Legends. https://technology.riotgames.com/news/architecture-league-client-update https://technology.riotgames.com/news/architecture-league-cl...
tempsy 7y ago
Is it really that surprising given React is FB and Angular is Google?
- penagwin 7y ago
  > React is FB and Angular is Google This doesn't matter in practice - they could have freely used either to design the web client at no cost. If they wanted to take over development and go their own direction they just had to fork them.
  - tempsy 7y ago
    Of course in doesn’t matter in practice. It’s the optics.
    - ssalazar 7y ago
      Is there still patent uncertainty around React (or Angular)? Otherwise, Im not sure why anyone outside HN would care about the optics of which front-end library was used.
      - tempsy 7y ago
        Are you really saying you don’t understand why Apple might not want to use a framework created by their frenemies in Facebook and Google, especially given Apple’s focus on privacy and willingness to make an example of FB and Google for their comparatively lax privacy standards?
        ssalazar 7y ago
        Sure, but how does any of that resonate with the general public? "Apple is using Facebook's front-end code library" isnt exactly a gripping headline or tweet. You can read the source code to either; its not as if theyre secretly embedding tracking into every React/Angular app.
        tempsy 7y ago
        Ok. I mean you can ask that to Tim Cook :) If not optics it’s about ego. Again, if Apple hates FB/Goog then why use their frameworks when there’s dozens of other alternatives.
        freehunter 7y ago
        Apple’s iCloud has alternately used Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud. That’s a bit more trusting than a front end web framework. https://betanews.com/2018/02/26/apple-icloud-now-powered-by-google-cloud-not-microsoft-azure/ https://betanews.com/2018/02/26/apple-icloud-now-powered-by-...
    - matthewvincent 7y ago
      Not that it matters but I interviewed for an Apple team that was using react. Something adjacent to iTunes if I remember correctly.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  FWIW, Apple uses both for other projects.
- hashbig 7y ago
  I think every team at Apple uses what makes more sense for the project. The official SwiftUI docs and tutorials use Vue.js for example: https://developer.apple.com/tutorials/swiftui/creating-and-combining-views https://developer.apple.com/tutorials/swiftui/creating-and-c...
holler 7y ago
alive and well with huge strides in the framework, better than ever. that said ember gets much less press than it's peers, partly due to not being backed by a major fang corp and historical perception. https://blog.emberjs.com/2019/08/15/octane-release-plan.html https://blog.emberjs.com/2019/08/15/octane-release-plan.html
- vonseel 7y ago
  I only remember Ember because it was so much more popular at the time (2013? Early 2014?) than Backbone, which I had just completed an application using, and Angular, which was relatively new to the scene. Ember looked like it was the next big thing. And then, I guess, React came around and everybody was hot on the heels of the next big thing.
  - arendtio 7y ago
    Well, I tried Ember back in the day for one project and remember it being pretty hard to learn and quite fat in terms of file size. It was quite powerful when you were using it the way it was supposed to be used, but made your life pretty hard when you wanted to do things a bit simpler and the initial load times were horrible at the time. I heard, that things got a lot better over the years, but I never tried it again. However, I still admire the very clear architecture they had with ember-data as it was very useful (e.g. for testing) and eliminated a lot of uncertainty regarding the API design.
    - msum 7y ago
      It's super easy to pick up for a weekend project, and the Discord community is active enough to find support when you have questions.
msum 7y ago
Going strong since 2011, although Ember is aimed a lot more toward quiet business productivity. What some see as constraints, others see as consistency. It's more typically seen in "dashboard apps" but it's also great when you need to quickly spin up a new site and don't want to have to configure anything. I know movie studios in LA that use it for those kinds of promo websites, because of the fast turn around time. Another thing that is cool about Ember is the community-driven process- if you have a good idea for Ember and the energy to make it happen, it typically will happen. Makes you feel like you can make a difference if that's your thing.

I guess it is still a liked tool, I also read about Riot Games using it for the redone client of League of Legends. https://technology.riotgames.com/news/architecture-league-client-update https://technology.riotgames.com/news/architecture-league-cl...

tempsy 7y ago

Is it really that surprising given React is FB and Angular is Google?

penagwin 7y ago
> React is FB and Angular is Google This doesn't matter in practice - they could have freely used either to design the web client at no cost. If they wanted to take over development and go their own direction they just had to fork them.
- tempsy 7y ago
  Of course in doesn’t matter in practice. It’s the optics.
  - ssalazar 7y ago
    Is there still patent uncertainty around React (or Angular)? Otherwise, Im not sure why anyone outside HN would care about the optics of which front-end library was used.
    - tempsy 7y ago
      Are you really saying you don’t understand why Apple might not want to use a framework created by their frenemies in Facebook and Google, especially given Apple’s focus on privacy and willingness to make an example of FB and Google for their comparatively lax privacy standards?
      - ssalazar 7y ago
        Sure, but how does any of that resonate with the general public? "Apple is using Facebook's front-end code library" isnt exactly a gripping headline or tweet. You can read the source code to either; its not as if theyre secretly embedding tracking into every React/Angular app.
        tempsy 7y ago
        Ok. I mean you can ask that to Tim Cook :) If not optics it’s about ego. Again, if Apple hates FB/Goog then why use their frameworks when there’s dozens of other alternatives.
      - freehunter 7y ago
        Apple’s iCloud has alternately used Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud. That’s a bit more trusting than a front end web framework. https://betanews.com/2018/02/26/apple-icloud-now-powered-by-google-cloud-not-microsoft-azure/ https://betanews.com/2018/02/26/apple-icloud-now-powered-by-...
  - matthewvincent 7y ago
    Not that it matters but I interviewed for an Apple team that was using react. Something adjacent to iTunes if I remember correctly.
saagarjha 7y ago
FWIW, Apple uses both for other projects.
hashbig 7y ago
I think every team at Apple uses what makes more sense for the project. The official SwiftUI docs and tutorials use Vue.js for example: https://developer.apple.com/tutorials/swiftui/creating-and-combining-views https://developer.apple.com/tutorials/swiftui/creating-and-c...

holler 7y ago

alive and well with huge strides in the framework, better than ever. that said ember gets much less press than it's peers, partly due to not being backed by a major fang corp and historical perception. https://blog.emberjs.com/2019/08/15/octane-release-plan.html https://blog.emberjs.com/2019/08/15/octane-release-plan.html

vonseel 7y ago
I only remember Ember because it was so much more popular at the time (2013? Early 2014?) than Backbone, which I had just completed an application using, and Angular, which was relatively new to the scene. Ember looked like it was the next big thing. And then, I guess, React came around and everybody was hot on the heels of the next big thing.
- arendtio 7y ago
  Well, I tried Ember back in the day for one project and remember it being pretty hard to learn and quite fat in terms of file size. It was quite powerful when you were using it the way it was supposed to be used, but made your life pretty hard when you wanted to do things a bit simpler and the initial load times were horrible at the time. I heard, that things got a lot better over the years, but I never tried it again. However, I still admire the very clear architecture they had with ember-data as it was very useful (e.g. for testing) and eliminated a lot of uncertainty regarding the API design.
  - msum 7y ago
    It's super easy to pick up for a weekend project, and the Discord community is active enough to find support when you have questions.

msum 7y ago

Going strong since 2011, although Ember is aimed a lot more toward quiet business productivity. What some see as constraints, others see as consistency. It's more typically seen in "dashboard apps" but it's also great when you need to quickly spin up a new site and don't want to have to configure anything. I know movie studios in LA that use it for those kinds of promo websites, because of the fast turn around time. Another thing that is cool about Ember is the community-driven process- if you have a good idea for Ember and the energy to make it happen, it typically will happen. Makes you feel like you can make a difference if that's your thing.