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Traffic cameras don't give anywhere near the detail that crowd sourcing from mobile phones do, and you're just trading off one form of tracking which actually c
by cromwellian 7y ago
Traffic cameras don't give anywhere near the detail that crowd sourcing from mobile phones do, and you're just trading off one form of tracking which actually can be secured via DP, with another -- government CCTV cameras -- which CAN identify you via license plate recognition, and indeed, often DO. (https://www.eff.org/pages/automated-license-plate-readers-alpr https://www.eff.org/pages/automated-license-plate-readers-al...)
Moreover, there are public safety reasons to use crowdsourcing. To give one very important example, early-warning earthquake detection for example, where seconds of warning are crucial. Millions of people are walking around with mobile seismometers, which in aggregate, could detect with high degree of accuracy, an earthquake as soon as it starts, and notify people within 1-5 seconds. It can only filter out false positives by sampling a vast number of motion sensors over a large area, and such a notification system can only work if it is virtually free of false positives (https://myshake.berkeley.edu/ https://myshake.berkeley.edu/) This technology could save many lives, but needs differential privacy to be secure.
Differential privacy does not exist because of Google, was not invented by Google, and is part of the academic research of the crypto/security community.
I can't speak about my company in aggregate, but I can speak about myself, and I and many of my peers do care about privacy, with cryptographically strong guarantees. I've been doing this for more then 20 years, shipped one of the first anonymizing web proxy servers in 1996, worked on early forms of crypto-currency, remailer and onion networks, long before they hit the public consciousness. The people interested in these things work on them because they believe in them and are passionate. Not everything people work on is done because of ads. Chrome didn't need to ship RAPPOR in 2014, there's no business model for it. Likely, it was driven by people who felt deeply about the need to do it.
The other hyperbolic claims are not worth addressing.
- behringer 7y agoI appreciate your insight on the matter. I just want to point out that it's hard to take any claim you make about your desire to protect privacy seriously when you work for a company like Google. Seriously though it was an insightful read.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't harangue other users because of where they work. All that does is disincentivize people to talk about what they work on, which is also what they know the most about. That's guaranteed to make HN worse overall, not better. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- nvrspyx 7y agoI'd like to point out that it's hard to take an opinion seriously that propagates the views of a company to everything that is associated with it. It undermines the actual issues of the company because now every action, person, or thing related to that company is an issue. It's throwing the baby out with the bath water and too limited of a view for my taste.
- behringer 7y agoIt's good rebuttals like this that make me enjoy HN.