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I think this is an "old people's thinking" perspective. Younger generation are way more open about their dating life than us. They openly talk about their datin

by msoad 7y ago

I think this is an "old people's thinking" perspective. Younger generation are way more open about their dating life than us. They openly talk about their dating life at work or friends group. They don't mind getting matched with a coworker or classmate.

KaoruAoiShiho 7y ago
Yeah it's a load of assumptions, I'm chalking it more up to a "socially anxious person's thinking" than "old" person's thinking. For many people I think being able to smoothly integrate their existing social life into a dating app is a godsend.
- ummonk 7y ago
  Right, I mean secret crush seems like a real improvement over the status quo in its ability to discover potential relationships without risking making existing friendships awkward.
  - twic 7y ago
    You would think. Those of us who have been wasting time on the internet for long enough remember the Secret Crush Meme from LiveJournal [1], which worked just like this. It was great up until someone realised they could just say they had a crush on everyone they knew to get a list of who had crushes on them, without any genuine reciprocity of the crush. If you could figure out a way to make it somehow costly to falsely say you have a crush on someone, this might work, but until then, this is game-theoretically wince-inducing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_matching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_matching
    - mwilliaams 7y ago
      Maybe just limit the number of people you can have a crush on at once.
    - skinnymuch 7y ago
      Generally speaking for 99%+ of people, You shouldn’t have more than a few crushes at once. And they shouldn’t change that often. That would’ve curbed that a lot without restricting many people
yodon 7y ago
It's not a generational thing, it's called being in your 20's. Those currently well past their 20's talked openly about their dating when they were 20, too.
lbotos 7y ago
Yes, but also, young people also use may different digital personas "just like us". https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/10/20/does-your-kid-have-finsta-account-why-its-big-deal/783424001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/10/20/d... Some degree of separation/anonymity is still something people want even if they are more transparent about the outcomes.
taude 7y ago
I didn't think young people used the Facebook brand anymore? If all the stories that have been published about that are to be believed.
- n8henry 7y ago
  They don't. They should have called this Instagram Dating, but Zuck doesn't want to admit that the Facebook brand is no longer "cool"
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  - aylmao 7y ago
    I think dating being "cool" is dangerous territory, and probably why Facebook dating didn't exist until now. That's Tinder territory, and tinder doesn't have a great reputation as an app that's "healthy".
- bitbuilder 7y ago
  I have plenty of people in my extended friend group who are in their mid to late 20s, and most of them are still quite active on FB. Nobody thinks it's cool or fun anymore, of course. But it's still the go-to spot for sharing life events, family news, anything you want to brag about really. Or any vacation pictures that you'd like grandma and grandpa to see. IG is still image driven, so it's not a platform you can easily use for relaying text based information to your social network.
  - tayo42 7y ago
    Mid to late 20s are the old people everyone's talking. That age group was in high school when Facebook was getting popular Young is like current high school and college
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    Late 20s is def old (I can personally attest to that). Mid 20s might be too? In the context of what’s being discussed here.
jvagner 7y ago
...but maybe: until they get older...
Barrin92 7y ago
>They don't mind getting matched with a coworker or classmate. they don't mind now. One of the big problems with digital transparency is that this information will be hard to get rid off if they ever wish to in the future. Is openness about past relationships in the workplace still a good idea if it leads to some sort of office intrigue a year or two down the line?
carbocation 7y ago
Counterpoint: Finsta accounts.
tyre 7y ago
How old is old? I'm 28 and would not use this because I don't trust Facebook. My little brother is 16 and I know he won't use this because no one he knows uses Facebook. I don't even think he has an account. They're all on Snapchat and IG. I was talking to him about this last week. They all think of Facebook as for a different generation. As stale. I feel similarly and know a lot of my circle does too. Except for events and sometimes messaging, nothing happens there.
- PunchTornado 7y ago
  and still fb grows and grows and grows, be it instagram, whatsup or the blue app, facebook doesn't seem affected by opinions of hacker news people. in many countries it is basically the internet wether you like it or not.
  - tyre 7y ago
    My comment was specifically about Facebook.com and acknowledged that younger users are moving to instagram. I didn't say younger people are leaving all Facebook-owned subsidiaries. Similarly, I referenced my circle of friends—who are not hacker news people—as not using Facebook either.
- seisvelas 7y ago
  I think in a marketers mind, you are from the outbound Millenial generation rather than the current 'young' Generation Z (or Zoomers as they're called in the Wojak meme world).
  - tyre 7y ago
    Which is why I shared the opinions and behaviours of my brother, who is 16. He's that next generation.
- JesseAldridge 7y ago
  > My little brother is 16 and I know he won't use this because no one he knows uses Facebook. Is this really true? I heard from someone at Facebook that while teenagers say they don't use Facebook, if you look at the stats, they definitely do.
kace91 7y ago
> They openly talk about their dating life at work or friends group. They don't mind getting matched with a coworker or classmate. reply Coworkers and classmates aren't the problem. For young people, facebook is where mom and grandma is. Not that you're gonna match with them, but just sharing the name is a turn off.
FillardMillmore 7y ago
It makes me wonder how sensitive generation Z is to privacy concerns. It would seem to me that there would be vast differences between that generation and say, Gen X and Boomers (who for a long time refused to share credit card numbers with e-commerce sites). Perhaps the true success of this feature will become apparent with the coming Generation(s), assuming Facebook manages to maintain its position as the premier social networking site.
- mywittyname 7y ago
  I think they will be even more sensitive to privacy and understand better about wearing a different mask for different groups. They grew up with this understanding that FB was where their parents are, thus were conscious about curating their image. Likewise, I'm sure they will continue to treat other social media with the same scrutiny. People in their 30s grew up in an era where FB allowed only college students. And they were old enough not to really care once it became open to their parents.
- ses1984 7y ago
  Boomers I know can't even conceive of how privacy has been eroded. Sure they won't share cc numbers with ecommerce sites but they have no problem giving up every detail of their life to facebook.
- pmart123 7y ago
  I would say they are a lot more sensitive. They witnessed all the millennials post anything and everything on social media at first with little regard future consequences. I think there is a much better cognitive understanding that anything you post is permanent versus in 2007.
thrownaway954 7y ago
That is a HUGE generalization. You may be open about your dating life, but that doesn't mean everyone is nor do they want it to be associated with their professional life. True in point, say you are into a kink, do you want everyone in your social circle knowing about it?
some_furry 7y ago
> Younger generation are way more open about their dating life than us. They openly talk about their dating life at work or friends group. They don't mind getting matched with a coworker or classmate. Being young and LGBTQIA+, I can assure you that I never discuss my dating life at work or with my relatives (none of whom know I'm gay, but thankfully, I don't live with them anymore). Until there are strict federal anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQIA+ folks, I'll never trust an employer to know that side of my life.
- sterlind 7y ago
  OkCupid's "hide my profile from straight people" feature is fantastic for exactly this reason. Pity the site's fallen out of favor, it's the one dating app I felt comfortable with.
- mwilliaams 7y ago
  Dave Chappelle says: Now we’re up to 27% of the alphabet.
  - jedberg 7y ago
    Dave Chappelle is also an intolerant prick when it comes to gender and race, so it may not be so wise to quote him on that.
    - gandutraveler 7y ago
      Dave Chappelle is a comedian and if you get offended by what he says during stand-up then you are a intolerant prick
  - some_furry 7y ago
    Do you have a problem with the diversity of queer identities? I personally think it's a good thing, because language can empower individuals with many words with which to express themselves, rather than just a handful of boolean values (Are you gay or straight? Are you male or female?). Being gay to me might not be quite the same thing as being gay to someone else. There's multiple facets at play here, and many are entire spectra. Comedians like Dave Chappelle aren't trying to speak the truth. They're either reinforcing cognitive biases to build rapport with their audience or subverting them to elicit a laugh. Usually one followed by the other. Personally, I find the idea that the whole breadth of depth of anyone's identity can be compressed in 3 or fewer bits of information to be, frankly, dehumanizing. Even if you're a cisgender, allosexual, heterosexual man.
dbg31415 7y ago
Do people under 25 even use Facebook? I mean... most of them see it as another LinkedIn for sharing Granny Photos. I was on Bumble a little late at night... kinda mindlessly swiping... girl looked cute... little familiar... swipe... Instantly realize as it chimes with "boom" that it was my boss. Nope nope nope, delete the whole thing and never return. They all have a problem around showing you co-workers, and it'd be so easy to just be like, "Cool, never show me people who work here, or never show me people I know on Facebook / LinkedIn." Wouldn't catch everything, but it'd catch a lot of it. Ha, and... the bigger problem I guess is that I don't really trust any of these sites to link them to Facebook or LinkedIn. They all seem fundamentally scammy and spammy. But... I've had some fun with Bumble. Just... yeah I don't even trust it with my Spotify playlists.
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8ytecoder 7y ago
Personal observation: It depends on the environment and not the age range.

by msoad 7y ago

KaoruAoiShiho 7y ago

Yeah it's a load of assumptions, I'm chalking it more up to a "socially anxious person's thinking" than "old" person's thinking. For many people I think being able to smoothly integrate their existing social life into a dating app is a godsend.

ummonk 7y ago
Right, I mean secret crush seems like a real improvement over the status quo in its ability to discover potential relationships without risking making existing friendships awkward.
- twic 7y ago
  You would think. Those of us who have been wasting time on the internet for long enough remember the Secret Crush Meme from LiveJournal [1], which worked just like this. It was great up until someone realised they could just say they had a crush on everyone they knew to get a list of who had crushes on them, without any genuine reciprocity of the crush. If you could figure out a way to make it somehow costly to falsely say you have a crush on someone, this might work, but until then, this is game-theoretically wince-inducing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_matching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_matching
  - mwilliaams 7y ago
    Maybe just limit the number of people you can have a crush on at once.
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    Generally speaking for 99%+ of people, You shouldn’t have more than a few crushes at once. And they shouldn’t change that often. That would’ve curbed that a lot without restricting many people

yodon 7y ago

It's not a generational thing, it's called being in your 20's. Those currently well past their 20's talked openly about their dating when they were 20, too.

lbotos 7y ago

Yes, but also, young people also use may different digital personas "just like us". https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/10/20/does-your-kid-have-finsta-account-why-its-big-deal/783424001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/10/20/d... Some degree of separation/anonymity is still something people want even if they are more transparent about the outcomes.

taude 7y ago

I didn't think young people used the Facebook brand anymore? If all the stories that have been published about that are to be believed.

n8henry 7y ago
They don't. They should have called this Instagram Dating, but Zuck doesn't want to admit that the Facebook brand is no longer "cool"
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- aylmao 7y ago
  I think dating being "cool" is dangerous territory, and probably why Facebook dating didn't exist until now. That's Tinder territory, and tinder doesn't have a great reputation as an app that's "healthy".
bitbuilder 7y ago
I have plenty of people in my extended friend group who are in their mid to late 20s, and most of them are still quite active on FB. Nobody thinks it's cool or fun anymore, of course. But it's still the go-to spot for sharing life events, family news, anything you want to brag about really. Or any vacation pictures that you'd like grandma and grandpa to see. IG is still image driven, so it's not a platform you can easily use for relaying text based information to your social network.
- tayo42 7y ago
  Mid to late 20s are the old people everyone's talking. That age group was in high school when Facebook was getting popular Young is like current high school and college
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  Late 20s is def old (I can personally attest to that). Mid 20s might be too? In the context of what’s being discussed here.

jvagner 7y ago

...but maybe: until they get older...

Barrin92 7y ago

>They don't mind getting matched with a coworker or classmate. they don't mind now. One of the big problems with digital transparency is that this information will be hard to get rid off if they ever wish to in the future. Is openness about past relationships in the workplace still a good idea if it leads to some sort of office intrigue a year or two down the line?

carbocation 7y ago

Counterpoint: Finsta accounts.

tyre 7y ago

How old is old? I'm 28 and would not use this because I don't trust Facebook. My little brother is 16 and I know he won't use this because no one he knows uses Facebook. I don't even think he has an account. They're all on Snapchat and IG. I was talking to him about this last week. They all think of Facebook as for a different generation. As stale. I feel similarly and know a lot of my circle does too. Except for events and sometimes messaging, nothing happens there.

PunchTornado 7y ago
and still fb grows and grows and grows, be it instagram, whatsup or the blue app, facebook doesn't seem affected by opinions of hacker news people. in many countries it is basically the internet wether you like it or not.
- tyre 7y ago
  My comment was specifically about Facebook.com and acknowledged that younger users are moving to instagram. I didn't say younger people are leaving all Facebook-owned subsidiaries. Similarly, I referenced my circle of friends—who are not hacker news people—as not using Facebook either.
seisvelas 7y ago
I think in a marketers mind, you are from the outbound Millenial generation rather than the current 'young' Generation Z (or Zoomers as they're called in the Wojak meme world).
- tyre 7y ago
  Which is why I shared the opinions and behaviours of my brother, who is 16. He's that next generation.
JesseAldridge 7y ago
> My little brother is 16 and I know he won't use this because no one he knows uses Facebook. Is this really true? I heard from someone at Facebook that while teenagers say they don't use Facebook, if you look at the stats, they definitely do.

kace91 7y ago

> They openly talk about their dating life at work or friends group. They don't mind getting matched with a coworker or classmate. reply Coworkers and classmates aren't the problem. For young people, facebook is where mom and grandma is. Not that you're gonna match with them, but just sharing the name is a turn off.

FillardMillmore 7y ago

It makes me wonder how sensitive generation Z is to privacy concerns. It would seem to me that there would be vast differences between that generation and say, Gen X and Boomers (who for a long time refused to share credit card numbers with e-commerce sites). Perhaps the true success of this feature will become apparent with the coming Generation(s), assuming Facebook manages to maintain its position as the premier social networking site.

mywittyname 7y ago
I think they will be even more sensitive to privacy and understand better about wearing a different mask for different groups. They grew up with this understanding that FB was where their parents are, thus were conscious about curating their image. Likewise, I'm sure they will continue to treat other social media with the same scrutiny. People in their 30s grew up in an era where FB allowed only college students. And they were old enough not to really care once it became open to their parents.
ses1984 7y ago
Boomers I know can't even conceive of how privacy has been eroded. Sure they won't share cc numbers with ecommerce sites but they have no problem giving up every detail of their life to facebook.
pmart123 7y ago
I would say they are a lot more sensitive. They witnessed all the millennials post anything and everything on social media at first with little regard future consequences. I think there is a much better cognitive understanding that anything you post is permanent versus in 2007.

thrownaway954 7y ago

That is a HUGE generalization. You may be open about your dating life, but that doesn't mean everyone is nor do they want it to be associated with their professional life. True in point, say you are into a kink, do you want everyone in your social circle knowing about it?

some_furry 7y ago

> Younger generation are way more open about their dating life than us. They openly talk about their dating life at work or friends group. They don't mind getting matched with a coworker or classmate. Being young and LGBTQIA+, I can assure you that I never discuss my dating life at work or with my relatives (none of whom know I'm gay, but thankfully, I don't live with them anymore). Until there are strict federal anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQIA+ folks, I'll never trust an employer to know that side of my life.

sterlind 7y ago
OkCupid's "hide my profile from straight people" feature is fantastic for exactly this reason. Pity the site's fallen out of favor, it's the one dating app I felt comfortable with.
mwilliaams 7y ago
Dave Chappelle says: Now we’re up to 27% of the alphabet.
- jedberg 7y ago
  Dave Chappelle is also an intolerant prick when it comes to gender and race, so it may not be so wise to quote him on that.
  - gandutraveler 7y ago
    Dave Chappelle is a comedian and if you get offended by what he says during stand-up then you are a intolerant prick
- some_furry 7y ago
  Do you have a problem with the diversity of queer identities? I personally think it's a good thing, because language can empower individuals with many words with which to express themselves, rather than just a handful of boolean values (Are you gay or straight? Are you male or female?). Being gay to me might not be quite the same thing as being gay to someone else. There's multiple facets at play here, and many are entire spectra. Comedians like Dave Chappelle aren't trying to speak the truth. They're either reinforcing cognitive biases to build rapport with their audience or subverting them to elicit a laugh. Usually one followed by the other. Personally, I find the idea that the whole breadth of depth of anyone's identity can be compressed in 3 or fewer bits of information to be, frankly, dehumanizing. Even if you're a cisgender, allosexual, heterosexual man.

dbg31415 7y ago

Do people under 25 even use Facebook? I mean... most of them see it as another LinkedIn for sharing Granny Photos. I was on Bumble a little late at night... kinda mindlessly swiping... girl looked cute... little familiar... swipe... Instantly realize as it chimes with "boom" that it was my boss. Nope nope nope, delete the whole thing and never return. They all have a problem around showing you co-workers, and it'd be so easy to just be like, "Cool, never show me people who work here, or never show me people I know on Facebook / LinkedIn." Wouldn't catch everything, but it'd catch a lot of it. Ha, and... the bigger problem I guess is that I don't really trust any of these sites to link them to Facebook or LinkedIn. They all seem fundamentally scammy and spammy. But... I've had some fun with Bumble. Just... yeah I don't even trust it with my Spotify playlists.

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8ytecoder 7y ago

Personal observation: It depends on the environment and not the age range.