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If not for 'programs /like/ this', how else has 'infant mortality dropped nearly everywhere' ?? Just because Finland introduced boxes and other countries didn'

If not for 'programs /like/ this', how else has 'infant mortality dropped nearly everywhere' ?? Just because Finland introduced boxes and other countries didn't does not mean that the Finland's contribution to the overall decrease to infant mortality was not due to boxes. Also, for gp comment -- nanny is a odd way to spell welfare.

weberc2 7y ago
> Just because Finland introduced boxes and other countries didn't does not mean that the Finland's contribution to the overall decrease to infant mortality was not due to boxes. You're arguing against a straw man. The article implies that the boxes are driving the decrease in infant mortality. The OP points out that this is ignoring the global decrease in infant mortality. The OP did not assert that the boxes made no contribution to the decrease in infant mortality. > Also, for gp comment -- nanny is a odd way to spell welfare. I genuinely don't understand your point. "Nanny state" and "welfare state" are synonymous, at least in the U.S.
- arethuza 7y ago
  From a UK perspective "nanny state" is somewhere pejorative description of a "welfare state" (we don't use 'welfare' to describe payments from the state to individuals or families).
  - esotericn 7y ago
    Brit here. I'd use 'nanny state' more to refer to indirect effects. Stuff like the sugar tax, smoking packaging, cameras etc - the sort of 'nanny knows best' thing. Benefit payments and taxes usually don't come under the banner.
- InvisibleCities 7y ago
  >I genuinely don't understand your point. "Nanny state" and "welfare state" are synonymous, at least in the U.S. The term "nanny state" typically refers to legislation that aims to protect people from their own worst impulses - laws that ban the sale of large-sized soft drinks, sin taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, and giving tickets to drivers who don't wear a seat belt would all be examples of the "nanny state". In contrast, the "welfare state" refers to redistributive social programs that aim to mitigate the effects of capitalism on vulnerable populations (i.e. Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance, etc. ).
  - weberc2 7y ago
    Oh, I wasn't aware of the nuance. Thanks for educating me.

weberc2 7y ago

> Just because Finland introduced boxes and other countries didn't does not mean that the Finland's contribution to the overall decrease to infant mortality was not due to boxes. You're arguing against a straw man. The article implies that the boxes are driving the decrease in infant mortality. The OP points out that this is ignoring the global decrease in infant mortality. The OP did not assert that the boxes made no contribution to the decrease in infant mortality. > Also, for gp comment -- nanny is a odd way to spell welfare. I genuinely don't understand your point. "Nanny state" and "welfare state" are synonymous, at least in the U.S.

arethuza 7y ago
From a UK perspective "nanny state" is somewhere pejorative description of a "welfare state" (we don't use 'welfare' to describe payments from the state to individuals or families).
- esotericn 7y ago
  Brit here. I'd use 'nanny state' more to refer to indirect effects. Stuff like the sugar tax, smoking packaging, cameras etc - the sort of 'nanny knows best' thing. Benefit payments and taxes usually don't come under the banner.
InvisibleCities 7y ago
>I genuinely don't understand your point. "Nanny state" and "welfare state" are synonymous, at least in the U.S. The term "nanny state" typically refers to legislation that aims to protect people from their own worst impulses - laws that ban the sale of large-sized soft drinks, sin taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, and giving tickets to drivers who don't wear a seat belt would all be examples of the "nanny state". In contrast, the "welfare state" refers to redistributive social programs that aim to mitigate the effects of capitalism on vulnerable populations (i.e. Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance, etc. ).
- weberc2 7y ago
  Oh, I wasn't aware of the nuance. Thanks for educating me.