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Is google using this in their own products? They were just fined $170M in the past few days!

londons_explore 7y ago
I think you'll find legislators are less worried about something being "mathematically proven to protect privacy robustly", and more worried about just collecting money from someone publicly perceived as evil. If they cared about actual privacy, they would go after no-name ad networks and data mining companies.
- bathtub365 7y ago
  Do you have information showing that the FTC's ruling was unjust? As far as the companies they go after, I think going after large brand-name ad networks and data mining companies like Google is at least as important as going after the no-name ones.
- simion314 7y ago
  And why not start with the source? Google and Facebook sell your data to the ad networks, maybe Google and Facebook receive more complaints against then some unknown ad networks that we did not know even existed before GDPR forced the sites to disclose them.
  - aorav 7y ago
    Could you provide some source about Google selling your data to ad networks? Because Google explicitly says that they don’t do that and none of the fines received by Google is for selling your data. I’m curious to read about this.
    - capitol_ 7y ago
      It was on HN yesterday: https://brave.com/google-gdpr-workaround/ https://brave.com/google-gdpr-workaround/
    - panpanna 7y ago
      What you say was questioned recently by Brave, see HN play from 2-3 days ago. (not selling per see, more like carelessly giving away)
    - JohnFen 7y ago
      Personally, whether or not Google actually sells raw data isn't that important to me. My objection is that they (and all other companies that do this) collect the data in the first place.
martius 7y ago
First sentence of the 3rd paragraph: > Today, we’re rolling out the open-source version of the differential privacy library that helps power some of Google’s core products.
- antpls 7y ago
  Now, all they have to do is to find a way to prove us that they actually run this open-source code in Google's products
  - cromwellian 7y ago
    Download Chrome's source code, it's been using DP for years (https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/42852.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.c...)
kinkrtyavimoodh 7y ago
The fine had nothing to do with this.

I think you'll find legislators are less worried about something being "mathematically proven to protect privacy robustly", and more worried about just collecting money from someone publicly perceived as evil. If they cared about actual privacy, they would go after no-name ad networks and data mining companies.

bathtub365 7y ago
Do you have information showing that the FTC's ruling was unjust? As far as the companies they go after, I think going after large brand-name ad networks and data mining companies like Google is at least as important as going after the no-name ones.
simion314 7y ago
And why not start with the source? Google and Facebook sell your data to the ad networks, maybe Google and Facebook receive more complaints against then some unknown ad networks that we did not know even existed before GDPR forced the sites to disclose them.
- aorav 7y ago
  Could you provide some source about Google selling your data to ad networks? Because Google explicitly says that they don’t do that and none of the fines received by Google is for selling your data. I’m curious to read about this.
  - capitol_ 7y ago
    It was on HN yesterday: https://brave.com/google-gdpr-workaround/ https://brave.com/google-gdpr-workaround/
  - panpanna 7y ago
    What you say was questioned recently by Brave, see HN play from 2-3 days ago. (not selling per see, more like carelessly giving away)
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    Personally, whether or not Google actually sells raw data isn't that important to me. My objection is that they (and all other companies that do this) collect the data in the first place.

martius 7y ago

First sentence of the 3rd paragraph: > Today, we’re rolling out the open-source version of the differential privacy library that helps power some of Google’s core products.

antpls 7y ago
Now, all they have to do is to find a way to prove us that they actually run this open-source code in Google's products
- cromwellian 7y ago
  Download Chrome's source code, it's been using DP for years (https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/42852.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.c...)

kinkrtyavimoodh 7y ago

The fine had nothing to do with this.