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The US has medical & food programs for impoverished families and children. You might have to find a different non-nanny state.

ptah 7y ago
any suggestions?
Ensorceled 7y ago
According to the US Department of Agriculture[1] - 6.0 million children lived in food-insecure households in which children, along with adults, were food insecure. - 540,000 children (0.7 percent of the Nation's children) lived in households in which one or more child(sic) experienced very low food security. According to the CDC[2] - 1.6% of women received no [prenatel] care at all. - 15.0% of women received inadequate prenatal care. You may want to use a non-US definition of "nanny state" ... [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics.aspx https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_03.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_03.pdf
- michael_j_ward 7y ago
  It seems like the USDA includes people on federal food assistance programs as being "food insecure. From your first link defining "Low Food Security"[1]: """ These food-insecure households obtained enough food to avoid substantially disrupting their eating patterns or reducing food intake by using a variety of coping strategies, such as eating less varied diets, participating in Federal food assistance programs, or getting emergency food from community food pantries. """ Since you seemed to have these ready, do you have these same numbers but for people without access to any (federal / state/ local) food assistance programs? [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics.aspx https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...
  - Ensorceled 7y ago
    > Since you seemed to have these ready Not at the ready, I found those links in a couple of minutes buy searching for "US children food insecurity" and "US prenatal care". I remembered reading a study that the increase in US infant mortality was related to lack of prenatal care and food insecurity so I just googled those.
- sandworm101 7y ago
  >> - 1.6% of women received no [prenatel] care at all. That is a statistic that is very difficult to change. A certain percentage of women will simply not present, not request any help. Some honestly do not realize they are pregnant. Other live in denial. And, particularly in the US, there are some religious communities that actively avoid the medical system. So even with total free coverage of all mothers, there will always be a 1% who first seek a doctor only once contractions start.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    The fact that members in those religious communities actively avoid the medical system is a factor that needs to change and isn't the case across the globe - people being unaware of their pregnancy is an issue with a lack of education and test availability, and that factor is particularly easy to change except within those cloistered religious communities.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  Find me another nation of that size (and of similar multiracial diversity) that has anything of similar or greater success. Don't bother listing countries that are 1/20th the size and non-diverse. It's not an equal comparison. You might also want to remember that all US agencies use the broadest statistics that justify their budget and size when you cite the US Dept of Agriculture and the CDC.
AgloeDreams 7y ago
The US has bad medical & food programs.. FTFY, it's remarkably expensive, low touch, and uninformed vs other countries. The US's medical and food programs focus exclusively on money rather than quality of care or informing parents. We simply give out prepaid 'credit' cards and medical cards, there is little to ensure that they are used correctly or in a healthy manner. We don't do much to ensure that kids actually see doctors, we don't do much to ensure quality of food choices, cooking, or health, the school lunch programs are littered with terrible nutrition and only covers lunch and sometimes breakfast. The most telling thing about America is that we honest to goodness keep infant formula in grocery stores...in security cases.
- nonford150 7y ago
  This statement must be qualified. Stores experience shoplifting of formula due to cost. The locked cabinets protect expensive stock. WIC programs specifically include X amount of baby formula as part of the program. Especially in low-income areas (and increasingly higher level income areas) formula has become a form of currency and an easy way to launder drug money. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/money-issue-baby-formula-crime-ring.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/mone... The amazing part is the inefficiency of the WIC program made the formula black market possible.
  - lr 7y ago
    And why is baby formula so expensive? And why has the US stigmatized breast feeding so much? Maybe the two are related...
    - refurb 7y ago
      If anything you're stigmatized in the US if you don't breast feed. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  > The most telling thing about America is that we honest to goodness keep infant formula in grocery stores...in security cases. Not in any store I have ever shopped in.
mattkrause 7y ago
Why? The whole point is to compare strategies, so this would, if anything, provide a stronger test than comparing against some dystopia where children are born and left to their own devices. Likewise, despite what Stats 101 would tell you, we don’t actually run a ton of placebo-controlled clinical trials. Instead, the new thing (a baby box) gets compared against the current standard.

ptah 7y ago

any suggestions?

Ensorceled 7y ago

According to the US Department of Agriculture[1] - 6.0 million children lived in food-insecure households in which children, along with adults, were food insecure. - 540,000 children (0.7 percent of the Nation's children) lived in households in which one or more child(sic) experienced very low food security. According to the CDC[2] - 1.6% of women received no [prenatel] care at all. - 15.0% of women received inadequate prenatal care. You may want to use a non-US definition of "nanny state" ... [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics.aspx https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_03.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr67/nvsr67_03.pdf

michael_j_ward 7y ago
It seems like the USDA includes people on federal food assistance programs as being "food insecure. From your first link defining "Low Food Security"[1]: """ These food-insecure households obtained enough food to avoid substantially disrupting their eating patterns or reducing food intake by using a variety of coping strategies, such as eating less varied diets, participating in Federal food assistance programs, or getting emergency food from community food pantries. """ Since you seemed to have these ready, do you have these same numbers but for people without access to any (federal / state/ local) food assistance programs? [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics.aspx https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...
- Ensorceled 7y ago
  > Since you seemed to have these ready Not at the ready, I found those links in a couple of minutes buy searching for "US children food insecurity" and "US prenatal care". I remembered reading a study that the increase in US infant mortality was related to lack of prenatal care and food insecurity so I just googled those.
sandworm101 7y ago
>> - 1.6% of women received no [prenatel] care at all. That is a statistic that is very difficult to change. A certain percentage of women will simply not present, not request any help. Some honestly do not realize they are pregnant. Other live in denial. And, particularly in the US, there are some religious communities that actively avoid the medical system. So even with total free coverage of all mothers, there will always be a 1% who first seek a doctor only once contractions start.
- munk-a 7y ago
  The fact that members in those religious communities actively avoid the medical system is a factor that needs to change and isn't the case across the globe - people being unaware of their pregnancy is an issue with a lack of education and test availability, and that factor is particularly easy to change except within those cloistered religious communities.
not_a_cop75 7y ago
Find me another nation of that size (and of similar multiracial diversity) that has anything of similar or greater success. Don't bother listing countries that are 1/20th the size and non-diverse. It's not an equal comparison. You might also want to remember that all US agencies use the broadest statistics that justify their budget and size when you cite the US Dept of Agriculture and the CDC.

AgloeDreams 7y ago

The US has bad medical & food programs.. FTFY, it's remarkably expensive, low touch, and uninformed vs other countries. The US's medical and food programs focus exclusively on money rather than quality of care or informing parents. We simply give out prepaid 'credit' cards and medical cards, there is little to ensure that they are used correctly or in a healthy manner. We don't do much to ensure that kids actually see doctors, we don't do much to ensure quality of food choices, cooking, or health, the school lunch programs are littered with terrible nutrition and only covers lunch and sometimes breakfast. The most telling thing about America is that we honest to goodness keep infant formula in grocery stores...in security cases.

nonford150 7y ago
This statement must be qualified. Stores experience shoplifting of formula due to cost. The locked cabinets protect expensive stock. WIC programs specifically include X amount of baby formula as part of the program. Especially in low-income areas (and increasingly higher level income areas) formula has become a form of currency and an easy way to launder drug money. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/money-issue-baby-formula-crime-ring.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/mone... The amazing part is the inefficiency of the WIC program made the formula black market possible.
- lr 7y ago
  And why is baby formula so expensive? And why has the US stigmatized breast feeding so much? Maybe the two are related...
  - refurb 7y ago
    If anything you're stigmatized in the US if you don't breast feed. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
rootusrootus 7y ago
> The most telling thing about America is that we honest to goodness keep infant formula in grocery stores...in security cases. Not in any store I have ever shopped in.

mattkrause 7y ago

Why? The whole point is to compare strategies, so this would, if anything, provide a stronger test than comparing against some dystopia where children are born and left to their own devices. Likewise, despite what Stats 101 would tell you, we don’t actually run a ton of placebo-controlled clinical trials. Instead, the new thing (a baby box) gets compared against the current standard.