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Being "more tangible" is an opinion, so i could just counter "non-argue" that i think these things are actually less tangible, we would now have ended-up nowher

Being "more tangible" is an opinion, so i could just counter "non-argue" that i think these things are actually less tangible, we would now have ended-up nowhere since there is nothing more to add (tbh i actually have that opinion, which might be explained by what follows). To add something which is not an opinion, i would say that these blockstack or actually Xcoin based whatever "dapp" (seriously, what is this vocabulary, these are brandings, marketing terms) have nothing to do with gnunet or secushare on the moral level, they are really different beasts with different goals, different contexts. Marketing vs science, social vs commercial, private vs libre... Really, if you're not seeing the objective difference here then you're not trying.

phs318u 7y ago
I’ll try and address your objections to my post, Blockstack and the apps developed on top of Blockstack. > Being "more tangible" is an opinion Yes. However my post was in response to someone who seemed disappointed that the story was not about something that was available. It was not meant as a criticism generally, but as something else to check out for those who might share that disappointment. > “dapp" (seriously, what is this vocabulary, these are brandings, marketing terms Some may use this term as a marketing ploy, but “dapp” is literally nothing more than “distributed app”. What is distributed? In the case of Blockstack, the users’ data and their identity. By design it ensures that control of data and identity is not only distributed to the users, but cannot be centralised (or recentralised), irrespective of the app. [0] > have nothing to do with gnunet or secushare on the moral level, they are really different beasts with different goals Firstly I’d argue that this is an opinion. But secondly I’d add that it is an ill-informed opinion. The Blockstack design means that users retain control of their data and their identity, and these cannot be taken from, nor weaponised against users. This is not merely a statement of intent [0], but am outcome of design [1]. > Marketing vs science, I believe this is adequately addressed by their white paper which I won’t attempt to summarise. [1] > social vs commercial, private vs libre The GNU philosophy is not about free as in beer but free as in libre. It is also not anathema to commercial use. The Blockstack core is licensed under the GPL v3, and all documentation is Creative Commons licensed. I’d argue that a worse denial of freedom (than software freedom) is having your data and identity held hostage ie. denial of the freedom to move or remove my data and identity. Holding your digital self hostage is eminently possible by a cloud service even if it’s built entirely on open source software, while not possible for a Blockstack dapp even if it were closed source. The core philosophy of Blockstack is “can’t be evil”. > if you're not seeing the objective difference here then you're not trying An opinion. I could counter that you didn’t try very hard to see the similarities. [0] https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/README.md#What-is-Blockstack https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/RE... [1] https://blockstack.org/docs/how-blockstack-works https://blockstack.org/docs/how-blockstack-works [2] https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/README.md#Copyright-and-License https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/RE...
jancsika 7y ago
To steelman the argument: I think by "more tangible" OP means, "software in a working state." Secushare clearly isn't in that category of software yet.

phs318u 7y ago

I’ll try and address your objections to my post, Blockstack and the apps developed on top of Blockstack. > Being "more tangible" is an opinion Yes. However my post was in response to someone who seemed disappointed that the story was not about something that was available. It was not meant as a criticism generally, but as something else to check out for those who might share that disappointment. > “dapp" (seriously, what is this vocabulary, these are brandings, marketing terms Some may use this term as a marketing ploy, but “dapp” is literally nothing more than “distributed app”. What is distributed? In the case of Blockstack, the users’ data and their identity. By design it ensures that control of data and identity is not only distributed to the users, but cannot be centralised (or recentralised), irrespective of the app. [0] > have nothing to do with gnunet or secushare on the moral level, they are really different beasts with different goals Firstly I’d argue that this is an opinion. But secondly I’d add that it is an ill-informed opinion. The Blockstack design means that users retain control of their data and their identity, and these cannot be taken from, nor weaponised against users. This is not merely a statement of intent [0], but am outcome of design [1]. > Marketing vs science, I believe this is adequately addressed by their white paper which I won’t attempt to summarise. [1] > social vs commercial, private vs libre The GNU philosophy is not about free as in beer but free as in libre. It is also not anathema to commercial use. The Blockstack core is licensed under the GPL v3, and all documentation is Creative Commons licensed. I’d argue that a worse denial of freedom (than software freedom) is having your data and identity held hostage ie. denial of the freedom to move or remove my data and identity. Holding your digital self hostage is eminently possible by a cloud service even if it’s built entirely on open source software, while not possible for a Blockstack dapp even if it were closed source. The core philosophy of Blockstack is “can’t be evil”. > if you're not seeing the objective difference here then you're not trying An opinion. I could counter that you didn’t try very hard to see the similarities. [0] https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/README.md#What-is-Blockstack https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/RE... [1] https://blockstack.org/docs/how-blockstack-works https://blockstack.org/docs/how-blockstack-works [2] https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/README.md#Copyright-and-License https://github.com/blockstack/blockstack-core/blob/master/RE...

jancsika 7y ago

To steelman the argument: I think by "more tangible" OP means, "software in a working state." Secushare clearly isn't in that category of software yet.