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This page uses a lot of words to explain almost nothing, the linked “introduction” page is similar. Is this a thing I can sign up to? How does it make my life

This page uses a lot of words to explain almost nothing, the linked “introduction” page is similar. Is this a thing I can sign up to? How does it make my life better? All I can tell so far is that it’s secure and some kind of social network Compare this to the WhatsApp landing page: https://www.whatsapp.com/ https://www.whatsapp.com/ Edit: looks like it’s a framework for building apps, still unclear to me if it’s usable or any apps exist for it yet

lbr34 7y ago
Well, to me they don't look as if they'd like to be like WhatsApp. The product mustn't be finished yet and this is probably just some info to atract possible users, programmers and people who'd like to contribute. You can subscribe to their newsletter anyways (if that's what you want)
- sshb 7y ago
  I've built https://lastochka.network https://lastochka.network — an encrypted social network myself and did not get what this project is all about by reading this page…
- ivanbakel 7y ago
  >Well, to me they don't look as if they'd like to be like WhatsApp. Yes, the overwhelming impression is that they'd like to avoid being like WhatsApp in that they don't want to have any users. Even if you are hoping to contribute, the "Getting Started" section which actually details what exists of the project is buried down at the bottom of the page - and that section is the closest the site comes to giving a proper explanation of what secushare actually is in terms of technology. The rest is waffle.
  - johnisgood 7y ago
    > Yes, the overwhelming impression is that they'd like to avoid being like WhatsApp in that they don't want to have any users. What makes you say that? > Even if you are hoping to contribute, the "Getting Started" section which actually details what exists of the project is buried down at the bottom of the page - and that section is the closest the site comes to giving a proper explanation of what secushare actually is in terms of technology. The rest is waffle. I suspect your issue stems from your approach to the project. I found the website tremendously informative. I spent a great deal of time on reading from top to bottom, and I followed the links, even links outside of Secushare. The website tells you exactly what Secushare is, it goes into detail, you just have to go through "Navigation", and for example when you encounter an unfamiliar term in the context of the project, click on it to gain understanding, then continue. You may want to start with https://secushare.org/ https://secushare.org/, then go to https://secushare.org/introduction https://secushare.org/introduction. You will reach section "Buzzwords to Dig Into". Go through them one by one, or pick whichever you would like to know more about. You could go to "Navigation -> Answers" instead as there will be links to the same pages. There are many different ways to go about this, but it essentially boils down to taking the time and effort to do so, and an open, curious mind.
runn1ng 7y ago
This is true about anything GNUnet related, really.
- Avamander 7y ago
  I still find this image of GNUnet-GTK hilarious: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/0/0a/Gnunet-gtk_0.10_under_arch-gnulinux.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/0/0a/Gnunet-gtk_0....
  - iamnotacrook 7y ago
    I like how the availability of each file is 0%. "Yeah, we focused on the amazing UI first - we'll handle downloading later".
    - jancsika 7y ago
      I wonder if they considered simply shipping with hashes for each byte of data of common files users may want to download. Then users could "download" by brute-forcing each byte of data. This would not only keep the content private but also the metadata. It might also speed up adoption.
- johnisgood 7y ago
  What do you mean exactly?
iamnotacrook 7y ago
It links to this page (from 2011 - any day now, right?): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3401376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3401376
dorusr 7y ago
From the "Getting Started" section: > secushare is a research project that hasn't reached prototype status, yet. Consider that it basically consists of a new Internet stack combined with a full-fledged distributed scalability alternative to cloud technology. The challenge is so big, please be patient that we're not done quite yet. (I agree that the homepage is not clear at all btw)
- toyg 7y ago
  > (I agree that the homepage is not clear at all btw) I have a feeling it was written by people whose mother tongue is not English - probably Italian.

lbr34 7y ago

Well, to me they don't look as if they'd like to be like WhatsApp. The product mustn't be finished yet and this is probably just some info to atract possible users, programmers and people who'd like to contribute. You can subscribe to their newsletter anyways (if that's what you want)

sshb 7y ago
I've built https://lastochka.network https://lastochka.network — an encrypted social network myself and did not get what this project is all about by reading this page…
ivanbakel 7y ago
>Well, to me they don't look as if they'd like to be like WhatsApp. Yes, the overwhelming impression is that they'd like to avoid being like WhatsApp in that they don't want to have any users. Even if you are hoping to contribute, the "Getting Started" section which actually details what exists of the project is buried down at the bottom of the page - and that section is the closest the site comes to giving a proper explanation of what secushare actually is in terms of technology. The rest is waffle.
- johnisgood 7y ago
  > Yes, the overwhelming impression is that they'd like to avoid being like WhatsApp in that they don't want to have any users. What makes you say that? > Even if you are hoping to contribute, the "Getting Started" section which actually details what exists of the project is buried down at the bottom of the page - and that section is the closest the site comes to giving a proper explanation of what secushare actually is in terms of technology. The rest is waffle. I suspect your issue stems from your approach to the project. I found the website tremendously informative. I spent a great deal of time on reading from top to bottom, and I followed the links, even links outside of Secushare. The website tells you exactly what Secushare is, it goes into detail, you just have to go through "Navigation", and for example when you encounter an unfamiliar term in the context of the project, click on it to gain understanding, then continue. You may want to start with https://secushare.org/ https://secushare.org/, then go to https://secushare.org/introduction https://secushare.org/introduction. You will reach section "Buzzwords to Dig Into". Go through them one by one, or pick whichever you would like to know more about. You could go to "Navigation -> Answers" instead as there will be links to the same pages. There are many different ways to go about this, but it essentially boils down to taking the time and effort to do so, and an open, curious mind.

runn1ng 7y ago

This is true about anything GNUnet related, really.

Avamander 7y ago
I still find this image of GNUnet-GTK hilarious: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/0/0a/Gnunet-gtk_0.10_under_arch-gnulinux.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/0/0a/Gnunet-gtk_0....
- iamnotacrook 7y ago
  I like how the availability of each file is 0%. "Yeah, we focused on the amazing UI first - we'll handle downloading later".
  - jancsika 7y ago
    I wonder if they considered simply shipping with hashes for each byte of data of common files users may want to download. Then users could "download" by brute-forcing each byte of data. This would not only keep the content private but also the metadata. It might also speed up adoption.
johnisgood 7y ago
What do you mean exactly?

iamnotacrook 7y ago

It links to this page (from 2011 - any day now, right?): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3401376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3401376

dorusr 7y ago

From the "Getting Started" section: > secushare is a research project that hasn't reached prototype status, yet. Consider that it basically consists of a new Internet stack combined with a full-fledged distributed scalability alternative to cloud technology. The challenge is so big, please be patient that we're not done quite yet. (I agree that the homepage is not clear at all btw)

toyg 7y ago
> (I agree that the homepage is not clear at all btw) I have a feeling it was written by people whose mother tongue is not English - probably Italian.