I'd say Symfony and Django are pretty complex still. I remember the "good old days" of vanilla PHP and bad coding practices as the simplest, most free-feeling w

I'd say Symfony and Django are pretty complex still. I remember the "good old days" of vanilla PHP and bad coding practices as the simplest, most free-feeling web dev I knew. >Mobile might be less complex if you stick with the default native language and tools. That's where I'm leaning so far.