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A bit of a contrarian view. This stuff tends to go like a pendulum and it could very well swing too far in the other direction, and a lot of people will get fuc

by m0zg 7y ago

A bit of a contrarian view. This stuff tends to go like a pendulum and it could very well swing too far in the other direction, and a lot of people will get fucked up in this case. We're seeing this with marijuana right now. I live in a state where it's legal, I voted for legalization, and I think it's wonderful that people aren't being thrown in jail for possession anymore. But I categorically DO NOT want this shit to be aggressively marketed to the public and normalized. It is harmful in most cases. Smoking MJ is not that much better than smoking tobacco, if at all. Certainly not great for the lungs. You can get really ill from THC if you consume a lot for an extended period of time, especially if you're fat, which most people are nowadays. Long term impact of TCH on the brain is poorly understood, etc. Now, granted it's better than alcohol in most ways. You're very unlikely to even contemplate driving a car while stoned, for example, let alone be able to do so successfully. You're unlikely to be aggressive. You're unlikely to destroy your liver by smoking weed, and so on. But that does not mean that it should be something people just do willy nilly IMO. Same with psychedelics. I'd be more OK with it if it's legal but socially frowned upon, and all marketing is forbidden.

scarecrowbob 7y ago
I am skeptical that it's a big problem. I'm not a fan of cannabis, but I'm living in a state where it is legal. I'm really not seeing any worse effects, I think. It's just as available to me as it has ever been... I've never not been able to find it and that's pretty common among the people I know. Unlike cannabis, most folks I know who don't have a lot of other pathologies will quit doing psychedelics. That's purely anecdotal, but I know quite a lot of people who've worked with both these drugs. Also, it's not the kind of stuff that markets well. It's incredibly cheap to produce... in the case of mushrooms they are easy to grow. The market is more or less already saturated, because the folks who really want that experience just go find it. I guess my main thought is this: tripping is often quite scary, and most people who do it a lot eventually give it up for that reason. At the same time, of the literal thousands of people I know personally who've used psychedelics, none have had their lives ruined over a single, first trip. So I'm skeptical that even if it were marketed like weed, it would actually result in a problem.
mistermann 7y ago
> It is harmful in most cases. Are you able to substantiate this with evidence of some kind?
- m0zg 7y ago
  There's ample evidence that inhaling smoke is harmful, for example, for the same reasons why smoking cigarettes is harmful.
  - mistermann 7y ago
    When you say harmful, what do you mean exactly? Is this harm observable and consequential in most cases?
toomanybeersies 7y ago
We can legalise drugs and still regulate them. Don't expect to see ads for California Sunshine and Willy Wonka's Golden Tickets plastered on billboards as you drive down the interstate. Don't expect to head to the corner store and pick up a sheet of acid along with your morning paper and orange juice.
ActorNightly 7y ago
The huge difference is that active compounds in LSD/Shrooms are anti addictive - the more you use it, the lower the effect every time. So while you can smoke weed every day and get the effect, you cannot do that with LSD or Shrooms. And you don't inhale smoke.

by m0zg 7y ago

scarecrowbob 7y ago

I am skeptical that it's a big problem. I'm not a fan of cannabis, but I'm living in a state where it is legal. I'm really not seeing any worse effects, I think. It's just as available to me as it has ever been... I've never not been able to find it and that's pretty common among the people I know. Unlike cannabis, most folks I know who don't have a lot of other pathologies will quit doing psychedelics. That's purely anecdotal, but I know quite a lot of people who've worked with both these drugs. Also, it's not the kind of stuff that markets well. It's incredibly cheap to produce... in the case of mushrooms they are easy to grow. The market is more or less already saturated, because the folks who really want that experience just go find it. I guess my main thought is this: tripping is often quite scary, and most people who do it a lot eventually give it up for that reason. At the same time, of the literal thousands of people I know personally who've used psychedelics, none have had their lives ruined over a single, first trip. So I'm skeptical that even if it were marketed like weed, it would actually result in a problem.

mistermann 7y ago

> It is harmful in most cases. Are you able to substantiate this with evidence of some kind?

m0zg 7y ago
There's ample evidence that inhaling smoke is harmful, for example, for the same reasons why smoking cigarettes is harmful.
- mistermann 7y ago
  When you say harmful, what do you mean exactly? Is this harm observable and consequential in most cases?

toomanybeersies 7y ago

We can legalise drugs and still regulate them. Don't expect to see ads for California Sunshine and Willy Wonka's Golden Tickets plastered on billboards as you drive down the interstate. Don't expect to head to the corner store and pick up a sheet of acid along with your morning paper and orange juice.

ActorNightly 7y ago

The huge difference is that active compounds in LSD/Shrooms are anti addictive - the more you use it, the lower the effect every time. So while you can smoke weed every day and get the effect, you cannot do that with LSD or Shrooms. And you don't inhale smoke.