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$12k a year is a disincentive to work? Oh, please, that doesn't even cover half one's rent in a major city.

by droptablemain 7y ago

cheez 7y ago
2 adults and part time work though is getting close.
- droptablemain 7y ago
  Yeah, close to having an empty apartment with no active utilities, food, water, transportation, entertainment or furniture. Where do I sign up?!
  - cheez 7y ago
    It's not supposed to be easy just basic...
  - coldtea 7y ago
    You can get more than enough food for 2 people with like $300/month. We get that in Europe, and in comparison the food in the US is dirt cheap (not to mention wholesale/bundle deals like in CostCo etc). One should be able to get a basic house somewhere and only pay like $600 - $800 month. Doesn't have to be Manhattan, Iowa or Missouri or Alabama would do. Furniture you can buy dirt cheap, you can have a house full of IKEA furniture for $3000 (one off cost), and IKEA is not even the cheapest option (second hand, etc). Are utilities (electricity, water, internet, mobile I'd say) more than $200/month in the US? What would the costly "entertainment" be? If you have internet you have movies, games, reading, social media, and music for free or next to free (e.g. a couple subscriptions at $20/month). Since you don't have to work, you can also entertain yourself in all kinds of ways impossible for an office drone during regular hours, including daily walks, treks, sports, painting, music practice, creative cooking, etc... Most are close to free to do. These add to $1400 or so a month, for a couple of to. They could surely do some stuff with the rest. And if they can do an occasional work gig, they can easily take vacations, put some money in the bank, etc.
coldtea 7y ago
>Oh, please, that doesn't even cover half one's rent in a major city. Then just don't live in a major city, work enough to get a small plot of land in a cheapo state, add some photovoltaics, and you're set?

$12k a year is a disincentive to work? Oh, please, that doesn't even cover half one's rent in a major city.

cheez 7y ago

2 adults and part time work though is getting close.

droptablemain 7y ago
Yeah, close to having an empty apartment with no active utilities, food, water, transportation, entertainment or furniture. Where do I sign up?!
- cheez 7y ago
  It's not supposed to be easy just basic...
- coldtea 7y ago
  You can get more than enough food for 2 people with like $300/month. We get that in Europe, and in comparison the food in the US is dirt cheap (not to mention wholesale/bundle deals like in CostCo etc). One should be able to get a basic house somewhere and only pay like $600 - $800 month. Doesn't have to be Manhattan, Iowa or Missouri or Alabama would do. Furniture you can buy dirt cheap, you can have a house full of IKEA furniture for $3000 (one off cost), and IKEA is not even the cheapest option (second hand, etc). Are utilities (electricity, water, internet, mobile I'd say) more than $200/month in the US? What would the costly "entertainment" be? If you have internet you have movies, games, reading, social media, and music for free or next to free (e.g. a couple subscriptions at $20/month). Since you don't have to work, you can also entertain yourself in all kinds of ways impossible for an office drone during regular hours, including daily walks, treks, sports, painting, music practice, creative cooking, etc... Most are close to free to do. These add to $1400 or so a month, for a couple of to. They could surely do some stuff with the rest. And if they can do an occasional work gig, they can easily take vacations, put some money in the bank, etc.

coldtea 7y ago

>Oh, please, that doesn't even cover half one's rent in a major city. Then just don't live in a major city, work enough to get a small plot of land in a cheapo state, add some photovoltaics, and you're set?