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At minimum, those substances would be very useful in a therapy setting with a trusted therapist. They might also be useful on their own merits, as in, if you h

At minimum, those substances would be very useful in a therapy setting with a trusted therapist. They might also be useful on their own merits, as in, if you have severe depression and eat a bunch of mushrooms maybe you won't be so depressed anymore. Given the current state of anti-depressants, it certainly seems worth a shot.

RangerScience 7y ago
Hi! You are correct. The first usages of MDMA (the defining ingredient in ecstasy) were in therapy. If you have severe depression (or severe anything really), I would not recommend experimenting without an experienced guide. Think of it like like scuba diving or sky diving: first you learn how with those who already know.
- jokowueu 7y ago
  Some say mdma without a guide is still good but you never know . Rick doblin once got a call from a friend who was treating a woman who had depression with mdma and what happened was that she remembered her rape and her being almost murdered ,this memory was complelty blocked by her brain and mdma brought them back . More mdma did not work so Rick doblin decided lsd was better equipped to treat her which worked . There is a video of her speaking about what happened many years later
  - RangerScience 7y ago
    They can all still be good without a guide, just like once you've learned to dive you do it on your own. I think a huge part of having a guide the first few times is just so you experience it all being OK, so that if on a solo jaunt it's starting to not be OK you've got some understanding that it'll pass as, physiologically, so does the substance.
WhompingWindows 7y ago
Yes, these drugs show much promise for mental health. I'd love to see them used not only for those suffering from depression, anxiety, smoking, alcoholism, OCD, and so forth, but I'd be interested to see programmers, engineers, musicians, athletes, and all sorts of groups take these drugs and see how it affects their lives. Based on Michael Pollan's book, there's good reason to argue that neuro-typical individuals can benefit very highly, as well as those with disorders in need of treatment.

RangerScience 7y ago

Hi! You are correct. The first usages of MDMA (the defining ingredient in ecstasy) were in therapy. If you have severe depression (or severe anything really), I would not recommend experimenting without an experienced guide. Think of it like like scuba diving or sky diving: first you learn how with those who already know.

jokowueu 7y ago
Some say mdma without a guide is still good but you never know . Rick doblin once got a call from a friend who was treating a woman who had depression with mdma and what happened was that she remembered her rape and her being almost murdered ,this memory was complelty blocked by her brain and mdma brought them back . More mdma did not work so Rick doblin decided lsd was better equipped to treat her which worked . There is a video of her speaking about what happened many years later
- RangerScience 7y ago
  They can all still be good without a guide, just like once you've learned to dive you do it on your own. I think a huge part of having a guide the first few times is just so you experience it all being OK, so that if on a solo jaunt it's starting to not be OK you've got some understanding that it'll pass as, physiologically, so does the substance.

WhompingWindows 7y ago

Yes, these drugs show much promise for mental health. I'd love to see them used not only for those suffering from depression, anxiety, smoking, alcoholism, OCD, and so forth, but I'd be interested to see programmers, engineers, musicians, athletes, and all sorts of groups take these drugs and see how it affects their lives. Based on Michael Pollan's book, there's good reason to argue that neuro-typical individuals can benefit very highly, as well as those with disorders in need of treatment.