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Read it more closely. - Violence doesn't have to be actually carried out. - Once a "breach of peace" is declared, everyone in the general vicinty can be charg

Read it more closely. - Violence doesn't have to be actually carried out. - Once a "breach of peace" is declared, everyone in the general vicinty can be charged with rioting.

mytailorisrich 7y ago
In general, behaviour that is threatening enough to cause alarm is considered violent. This what this law says, which is fairly standard. If you take part in a riot/violent protest you may be charged with a criminal offence. This is the way it works in most countries, including the UK. There is nothing extraordinary there. Being arrested or even charged is also not the same as being convicted. Note that the definition also includes unlawful assembly, so the people involved would already be in the wrong. I think some people are trying a bit too hard to excuse violent protests as if HK was somehow a special case.
- spacehunt 7y ago
  So explain why even first aid officers and social workers were charged with rioting?
  - mytailorisrich 7y ago
    Your occupation does not prevent you from taking part in a riot. That being said, again let's also see who ends being convicted.
    - spacehunt 7y ago
      Of course these were not merely their occupation, they were on active duty when they were arrested. With prior cases as precedent, and with how loosely the law is written, the chances of them not being convicted after being charged is slim.
      - mytailorisrich 7y ago
        I'm wondering how a social worker could be on "active duty", let alone in a violent protest. I'm also wondering how a member of the emergency services on duty could be arrested. Without details your claims do not make much sense, including your claims about precedents and likelihood of conviction.
        spacehunt 7y ago
        I'll try to find some English sources. Arrest of social worker: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=134091&sid=4 http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=134091&si... https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/09/02/catastrophe-hong-kong-police-say-159-arrested-weekend-chaos-16-charged-rioting/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/09/02/catastrophe-hong-kong-... I might be misremembering the likelihood of being convicted with "riot", but from what I can remember, several people were convicted with riot in the 2016 unrest; they were later acquitted several years later through costly appeals. Let's see how many gets convicted this time.

Read it more closely. - Violence doesn't have to be actually carried out. - Once a "breach of peace" is declared, everyone in the general vicinty can be charged with rioting.

mytailorisrich 7y ago

In general, behaviour that is threatening enough to cause alarm is considered violent. This what this law says, which is fairly standard. If you take part in a riot/violent protest you may be charged with a criminal offence. This is the way it works in most countries, including the UK. There is nothing extraordinary there. Being arrested or even charged is also not the same as being convicted. Note that the definition also includes unlawful assembly, so the people involved would already be in the wrong. I think some people are trying a bit too hard to excuse violent protests as if HK was somehow a special case.

spacehunt 7y ago
So explain why even first aid officers and social workers were charged with rioting?
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  Your occupation does not prevent you from taking part in a riot. That being said, again let's also see who ends being convicted.
  - spacehunt 7y ago
    Of course these were not merely their occupation, they were on active duty when they were arrested. With prior cases as precedent, and with how loosely the law is written, the chances of them not being convicted after being charged is slim.
    - mytailorisrich 7y ago
      I'm wondering how a social worker could be on "active duty", let alone in a violent protest. I'm also wondering how a member of the emergency services on duty could be arrested. Without details your claims do not make much sense, including your claims about precedents and likelihood of conviction.
      - spacehunt 7y ago
        I'll try to find some English sources. Arrest of social worker: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=134091&sid=4 http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=134091&si... https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/09/02/catastrophe-hong-kong-police-say-159-arrested-weekend-chaos-16-charged-rioting/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/09/02/catastrophe-hong-kong-... I might be misremembering the likelihood of being convicted with "riot", but from what I can remember, several people were convicted with riot in the 2016 unrest; they were later acquitted several years later through costly appeals. Let's see how many gets convicted this time.