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What about for creating and keeping up a global surveillance-capitalism system where billions of people are tracked, profiles, stripped of their privacy and man

by glogla 7y ago

What about for creating and keeping up a global surveillance-capitalism system where billions of people are tracked, profiles, stripped of their privacy and manipulated, thus disrupting democracy and civic society?

peterwwillis 7y ago
Can I just break down how ridiculous this sentence is? > creating and keeping up So, creating, > a global surveillance-capitalism system As opposed to just the regular old global surveillance system in place by Five Eyes and other governments' espionage agencies, (funny how privacy advocates are more upset about Amazon knowing your secrets than the government, who have an actual incentive to use it against you), > where billions of people are tracked, Aka, global, > stripped of their privacy What would be the point of surveillance with privacy? A bit like a wet suit you wear in the desert > and manipulated, As in... they used the data? > thus disrupting democracy and civic society So we went from "Adidas is spying on people just like the government" to "democracy and civic society has been eroded". No, Adidas knowing your favorite shoe style does not undermine democracy or civic society. Your government spying on the world, however, does. I suggest pointing your ire at the right target.
- dc90 7y ago
  You are ignoring that the government can and does request data from the companies. You may say 'who cares about the adidas I bought', but it doesn't stop there... google knows where you are (location services in android...), who you contact, what sites you are registered to (contatct synced / gmail), in addition of what your interests are(are you gay? involved in casual sex? voting republican or democrat? Planning a protest?). This level of data collection is wrong regardless of who does it: if a company has this data the government can get it too by definition, after thr data is there it's just a slippery slope.
- Zarath 7y ago
  "(funny how privacy advocates are more upset about Amazon knowing your secrets than the government, who have an actual incentive to use it against you)" Actually going to disagree with this one. AFAIK, the government has not used their collected information against me at any point in my life as far as I can tell. However, these tech companies are using it literally every day to try and manipulate my decision making.

by glogla 7y ago

peterwwillis 7y ago

Can I just break down how ridiculous this sentence is? > creating and keeping up So, creating, > a global surveillance-capitalism system As opposed to just the regular old global surveillance system in place by Five Eyes and other governments' espionage agencies, (funny how privacy advocates are more upset about Amazon knowing your secrets than the government, who have an actual incentive to use it against you), > where billions of people are tracked, Aka, global, > stripped of their privacy What would be the point of surveillance with privacy? A bit like a wet suit you wear in the desert > and manipulated, As in... they used the data? > thus disrupting democracy and civic society So we went from "Adidas is spying on people just like the government" to "democracy and civic society has been eroded". No, Adidas knowing your favorite shoe style does not undermine democracy or civic society. Your government spying on the world, however, does. I suggest pointing your ire at the right target.

dc90 7y ago
You are ignoring that the government can and does request data from the companies. You may say 'who cares about the adidas I bought', but it doesn't stop there... google knows where you are (location services in android...), who you contact, what sites you are registered to (contatct synced / gmail), in addition of what your interests are(are you gay? involved in casual sex? voting republican or democrat? Planning a protest?). This level of data collection is wrong regardless of who does it: if a company has this data the government can get it too by definition, after thr data is there it's just a slippery slope.
Zarath 7y ago
"(funny how privacy advocates are more upset about Amazon knowing your secrets than the government, who have an actual incentive to use it against you)" Actually going to disagree with this one. AFAIK, the government has not used their collected information against me at any point in my life as far as I can tell. However, these tech companies are using it literally every day to try and manipulate my decision making.