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Some survival teachers will recommand this: 1 - do not do it if you can avoid it 2 - if you really must, then try the folliwing: * break the plant, put a tin
by sametmax 7y ago
Some survival teachers will recommand this:
1 - do not do it if you can avoid it
2 - if you really must, then try the folliwing:
* break the plant, put a tiny amount of it on your armpit. If it's not reacting (itching, becoming red, etc) after 10 minutes, continue.
* break the plant, put a tiny amount of it on your lips. If it's not reacting, after 10 minutes, continue.
* break the plant, put a tiny amount of it on your tongue. If it's not reacting after ten minutes, if the taste is not off putting for any reason, and if you don't get any sensation/intuition (for a better word) that something is wrong, continue.
* masticate a tiny amount. Same.
* swallow a tiny amount. Wait for 2 hours. Observe obvious symptoms, but also digestion. It should be easy to process at this amount.
If all that pass (yeah, it's very long), remember this doesn't ensure the plant is perfectly safe, just lowers the risks.
- 0b0001 7y agoMost modern food does not pass.
- infecto 7y agoWhere do you live? lol
- jbigelow76 7y agoBeen rubbing a lot of Big Macs on your armpits?
- Infernal 7y agoTo be fair, it would definitely cause a reaction. Especially if you're still inside the McDonald's.
- commandlinefan 7y agoOr if you work there.
- dragontamer 7y ago> masticate I haven't heard this word since my SAT-prep classes. It means "chew". In case there are English-2nd language people here.
- kamyarg 7y agoI guess it is related to greek mastic gum? Really interesting to learn.
- TremendousJudge 7y agoIt's probably the French-descended version, like thinking and pensive, or belly and stomach
- moate 7y agoHistory and Etymology for masticate Late Latin masticatus, past participle of masticare, from Greek mastichan to gnash the teeth; akin to Greek masasthai to chew — more at MANDIBLE
- magic_beans 7y agoFor speakers of Romanic languages, the definition of this word will be more obvious than the definition of the word "chew".
- thaumasiotes 7y ago> I haven't heard this word since my SAT-prep classes. It means "chew". In case there are English-2nd language people here. There's an interesting -- understandable but very wrong -- viewpoint that the right way to form sentences that a second-language speaker can understand is to talk in the way you might talk to a toddler. Reality is pretty much the opposite. A toddler has perfect grasp of their language's grammar and is likely to know common words, less likely to know uncommon words. For best results, you'd communicate with a toddler using complex sentences and "easy" vocabulary. A foreign learner has a much shakier grasp of the grammar and may have a pretty spotty vocabulary. But they're also likely to have a dictionary. And uncommon words are much easier to understand, given a dictionary, than common words are. The fact that they're uncommon means they don't have the wide variety of meanings and usages[1] that common words do. For best results, you'd communicate with a foreigner using simple sentences and "difficult" vocabulary. [1] For reference, here are the ABC dictionary glosses for the very common Mandarin word 做: 1. make; produce 2. cook; prepare (food) 3. do; act; engage in 4. be; become 5. write; compose 6. celebrate 7. be used as 8. form/contract a relationship 9. pretend; feign 10. (slang) make love 11. play tricks to punish somebody
- Matticus_Rex 7y agoAnd remember, kids, this is for plants only. Had someone show up touting this in one of my mushroom foraging groups once, where following this advice for every mushroom you see would probably get you killed within ten foraging trips in most areas. Mushroom foraging isn't nearly as hard to learn as the general public believes, but you don't do it like this.
- CzarnyZiutek 7y ago^ this is just not true.
- chdhchd 7y agoThe process I was taught for mushrooms that you can identify as an edible species was: Day 1: Eat a small (1/4 tsp) amount and observe for any reaction Day 2: Repeat Day 3: Don't eat any. Observe for any reaction. Day 4: Eat The explanation was that individuals can have widely varied reactions to species others find edible. Obviously don't do this for something unknown.
- Matticus_Rex 7y agoThat's a bit overly cautious for identified edibles outside of a couple that can cause extreme reactions (raw shiitake, for example), but it's much better to be overly cautious with mushrooms than to be overly bold.
- tastyfreeze 7y agoEh, its not a bad test. Chicken of the woods is edible and quite delicious. But, some people(including me) will have severe gastrointestinal distress after eating. Mushrooms produce a plethora of compounds that people may react to. Much better to try in small doses the first time.
- monetus 7y agoIndeed; though I restrict doing this to mushrooms I'm familiar with. Neurotoxins abound, and that test won't reveal them.
- xaedes 7y agoFrom the primitivetechnology guy I heard the same. He also gives another tip, similar to part of ritual from the article: A lot of toxic plants can be washed with clean flowing water for a few days. Chop them up and put them with a net in a clean natural stream if available for three days or so. Test the end result for the same way you would do with other unknown edibles (armpit, lips, etc). One could probably try all the mentioned ritual techniques.
- hinkley 7y agoThe Greeks and Romans used to eat lupine seeds (it's a legume, they look a bit like edamame, but very, very, very high in alkaloids). The simplest solution was throw them in a bag with a string and soak them in a stream for a week or two. The labor intensive solution involves boiling and rinsing them three or more times. Legumes are good protein, but come on. Lupines do self-sow though, and you can probably get more than a cup per plant, so I expect you could be looking at an entire field of lupines and thinking it would feed your extended family for a week.
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- x0x0 7y agoA suggestion -- you can buy survival guides to edible plants, specific to regions. If you're unsure, the boy scouts or wilderness orgs will have recommendations. If you're going backpacking, tossing one of them in your pack seems like you can shortcut a bunch of the above.
- sametmax 7y agoYes, but remember it's still easy to pull an "into the wild" ending. One day I was with David Manise, a survivalist teacher. He pulled out a root, and made us tasted it. Young wild carrots. Pretty funny how small it is compared to our domesticated version, we really did a number on the specie by breeding them. Then 10 meters away, he harvested another one. Looked the same. Only it was young hemlock. It's what Seneca used for killing himself. The lesson here, is that eating wild plants is always risky, no matter what protocol or book you use. I still love the idea, romantically, of going in the wood and finding my food with the help of some kind of Junior Woodchucks' Guidebook.
- hinkley 7y agoIf all that passes, it can still destroy your liver. The critical word here is survival - it's better than dying from starvation. Which is also why a lot of training will tell you to straight up avoid mushrooms. There's very little caloric value, and there are much safer ways to get nutrients.
- arcticbull 7y agoYeah but starvation probably isn’t a big concern for your average American lost in the woods. You can live weeks or months on your existing stores of food. Waters your top priority in a survival situation. IMO don’t eat anything you’re not 100% sure you can eat unless you’re in really dire straits.
- devinmcafee 7y agoA question: I believe that poison ivy takes a long time to become symptomatic. It can take a week for symptoms to show. If someone were to follow this progression then I believe they would die due to having ingested it before seeing symptoms. Would following this kill you with poison ivy? Or would it give noticeable symptoms to make you stop before ingesting it?
- sametmax 7y agoNo idea. Many plants will still kill you even with this protocol. Hence point number 1.
- ncmncm 7y agoCicuta maculata, Spotted Water Hemlock in North America, fools all of these. The root smells good and tastes like a turnip. Nobody knows the smallest fatal dose. People who get help breathing may survive. Chickling peas taste fine, but gradually and permanently paralyze your legs. They affect birds the same way.
- saagarjha 7y ago> Chickling peas taste fine, but gradually and permanently paralyze your legs. According to Wikipedia, this is only if you eat them for a long period. Otherwise the first sentence in its article makes no sense: > Lathyrus sativus, also known as grass pea, blue sweet pea, chickling pea, chickling vetch, Indian pea, white pea and white vetch, is a legume (family Fabaceae) commonly grown for human consumption and livestock feed in Asia and East Africa.
- ncmncm 7y agoUnless there is some way known to render them safe, as for the other toxic plants noted here: "L. sativus needs soaking and thorough cooking to reduce toxins", "Breeding programs are underway to produce lines of L. sativus that produce less ODAP", and "Some authors have argued that this toxicity is overstated, and L. sativus is harmless as part of a normal diet." People carry on about cyanide in peach pits, but as a youngster I ate them like almonds and never suffered for it.