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I agree with a lot of things in the article and I can relate to the author but this quote really threw me off >"some guy who does the same work as me is gettin

I agree with a lot of things in the article and I can relate to the author but this quote really threw me off >"some guy who does the same work as me is getting paid 20% more” (the author being female) Several times in my career I've found that other male developers (me being male) that I considered not even good made 50% more than me. Sometimes I found out that I made 50% more than other younger developers that I considered way better than me. I understand that women are underpaid compared to men in general but this specific situation can be explained by so much more than sexism.

vonseel 7y ago
I agree but it's difficult to make any comment on this sort of thing without being misinterpreted and/or seen as minimizing women's equality and the right to equal pay. As far as the rest of her article, I agree with it and I'm a single, white, straight male. Sure, I like coding, but at the end of the day a job is a job and, in the words of the author herself, I dream of a world where we all work less..
- jdmoreira 7y ago
  I hope people don’t misunderstand my comment to mean that I want to live in a world where women make less than men just because they are women. I certainly don’t and yet that’s the world we live in. On the other hand this particular example from the author is not a very good one since we all know men make +/- 20% from each other
  - vonseel 7y ago
    men make +/- 20% from each other It can go a lot more than 20%, and it doesn't always have to do with bias/minorities/etc. I think plenty of people just get paid less because they aren't strong negotiators or don't know how much they should be requesting. Sure, the latest salary report they saw online said people are getting $150k for similar jobs, but are they really getting $150k at XYZ company in your town, or are those numbers inflated by liars/SF|NYC|LA roles? Those are the thoughts that go through my head, at least, in addition to "Am I really worth that? They would offer me X if I was worth X, right?".
rswskg 7y ago
100% this. An unrelenting blaming of gender(or anyone factor) means you are unlikely to find out the whole picture. It's never simple, often composed over decisions made over many years. Luck, politics, hard work, perception, sexism. Take your pick.
andai 7y ago
The thing is, even if she is right about the reason she is underpaid, that way of thinking puts the situation out of her control, leading to suffering and stagnation. If you instead assume that you do have control over the situation, then that "positive bias" leads to finding ways to actually improve the situation. In any case, it's always a mix of mutable and immutable factors. Here she has chosen (or automatically defaulted) to fixate on the one thing she cannot do anything about! From that perspective your only options are to suffer in silence, or to complain.

vonseel 7y ago

I agree but it's difficult to make any comment on this sort of thing without being misinterpreted and/or seen as minimizing women's equality and the right to equal pay. As far as the rest of her article, I agree with it and I'm a single, white, straight male. Sure, I like coding, but at the end of the day a job is a job and, in the words of the author herself, I dream of a world where we all work less..

jdmoreira 7y ago
I hope people don’t misunderstand my comment to mean that I want to live in a world where women make less than men just because they are women. I certainly don’t and yet that’s the world we live in. On the other hand this particular example from the author is not a very good one since we all know men make +/- 20% from each other
- vonseel 7y ago
  men make +/- 20% from each other It can go a lot more than 20%, and it doesn't always have to do with bias/minorities/etc. I think plenty of people just get paid less because they aren't strong negotiators or don't know how much they should be requesting. Sure, the latest salary report they saw online said people are getting $150k for similar jobs, but are they really getting $150k at XYZ company in your town, or are those numbers inflated by liars/SF|NYC|LA roles? Those are the thoughts that go through my head, at least, in addition to "Am I really worth that? They would offer me X if I was worth X, right?".

rswskg 7y ago

100% this. An unrelenting blaming of gender(or anyone factor) means you are unlikely to find out the whole picture. It's never simple, often composed over decisions made over many years. Luck, politics, hard work, perception, sexism. Take your pick.

andai 7y ago

The thing is, even if she is right about the reason she is underpaid, that way of thinking puts the situation out of her control, leading to suffering and stagnation. If you instead assume that you do have control over the situation, then that "positive bias" leads to finding ways to actually improve the situation. In any case, it's always a mix of mutable and immutable factors. Here she has chosen (or automatically defaulted) to fixate on the one thing she cannot do anything about! From that perspective your only options are to suffer in silence, or to complain.