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Third and Fourth are ridiculous. I'm sorry but you don't set things on fire on the streets, bite people's finger off, throw petrol bombs, tie up people at the a

Third and Fourth are ridiculous. I'm sorry but you don't set things on fire on the streets, bite people's finger off, throw petrol bombs, tie up people at the airport and say hey guys please grant amnesty, this wasn't a riot. Please grow up and take responsibility. If you choose to make those actions you take the consequences for them. Fifth, I can understand and dialogue can start and bickering in legislation, whatever, depending on definition this is achievable, but if you expect a democracy overnight then I have a strong urge to post a link to a music video. Hense, as per my comments below, demanding all five demands to be satisfied is not constructive and to some degree immature.

indymike 7y ago
It is not an amnesty. It is a necessary condition for a return to peace. There is zero incentive to stop for the protesters if they are going to be jailed for protesting. The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle.
- poukofiru 7y ago
  The incentive is to avoid the PRC Army.
  - somebodythere 7y ago
    I believe this was covered by > The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle. Anyway, I don't believe recreating June 4 is a wise move for PRC at this time. The whole world is watching.
nailer 7y ago
You're correct, assault is assault and should be punished. Incidentally, most of the more intense violence I've witnessed has been from the HK police: a quick selection from the front page of https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz2dba/hong_kong_police_breaking_subdued_protesters/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz2dba/hong_kong_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czgvb7/emily_lau_this_is_hong_kong_this_is_not_tiananmen/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czgvb7/emily_lau_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz93rd/suspected_cervical_injury_a_young_guy_was_held/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz93rd/suspected_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz797d/man_punches_reporter_in_the_facecops_dont_give_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz797d/man_punche... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz4fjm/why_continue_to_lie_again_and_again_when_theres/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz4fjm/why_contin... But categorizing 2 million people who participated in the protests (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471) as rioters is ridiculous.
- derukopi 7y ago
  Just FYI, both Reuters and CNN dispute the 2 million number, as some of the photos were manipulated, - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition-backstory/how-reuters-counted-a-quarter-million-people-at-hong-kongs-protests-idUSKCN1UD0ZT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition-back... - https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kong-protests-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kong-pr...
  - nailer 7y ago
    The account posting the photo mentioned they used a mirror effect in their original post. Your account was created two hours ago. Our audience can make of that what they will.
  - y2kenny 7y ago
    That's not what you links said. Would you like to correct your assertion?
anonnyj 7y ago
You have to rember that numerous people have been outed as false flaggers.
kenneth 7y ago
There's an unequal power dynamic. There's been excessive aggression on both sides. There are many example of the police using far excessive force, of shooting tear gas in MTR stations, of terrorizing innocent bystanders when going after protesters. If the protestors are prosecuted for what they did, but the police get to walk away, it's unacceptable to them. They won't accept it.
gwathk 7y ago
You do list quite a few allegations against protestors. Let me remind you that the level of police brutality is unprecedented during this 86 days.[1] All these events have made meeting the five demands becoming the least HKSAR govt. aka CCP can do to calm the society down. Asking Hongkongers to take it as is now is not constructive and to some degree immature. I urge the govt please grow up and take responsibility. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Hong_Kong_Police_Force_misconduct_surrounding_the_2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extradition_bill_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Hong_Kong_Polic...

indymike 7y ago

It is not an amnesty. It is a necessary condition for a return to peace. There is zero incentive to stop for the protesters if they are going to be jailed for protesting. The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle.

poukofiru 7y ago
The incentive is to avoid the PRC Army.
- somebodythere 7y ago
  I believe this was covered by > The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle. Anyway, I don't believe recreating June 4 is a wise move for PRC at this time. The whole world is watching.

nailer 7y ago

You're correct, assault is assault and should be punished. Incidentally, most of the more intense violence I've witnessed has been from the HK police: a quick selection from the front page of https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz2dba/hong_kong_police_breaking_subdued_protesters/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz2dba/hong_kong_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czgvb7/emily_lau_this_is_hong_kong_this_is_not_tiananmen/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czgvb7/emily_lau_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz93rd/suspected_cervical_injury_a_young_guy_was_held/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz93rd/suspected_... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz797d/man_punches_reporter_in_the_facecops_dont_give_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz797d/man_punche... - https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz4fjm/why_continue_to_lie_again_and_again_when_theres/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz4fjm/why_contin... But categorizing 2 million people who participated in the protests (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471) as rioters is ridiculous.

derukopi 7y ago
Just FYI, both Reuters and CNN dispute the 2 million number, as some of the photos were manipulated, - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition-backstory/how-reuters-counted-a-quarter-million-people-at-hong-kongs-protests-idUSKCN1UD0ZT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition-back... - https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kong-protests-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kong-pr...
- nailer 7y ago
  The account posting the photo mentioned they used a mirror effect in their original post. Your account was created two hours ago. Our audience can make of that what they will.
- y2kenny 7y ago
  That's not what you links said. Would you like to correct your assertion?

anonnyj 7y ago

You have to rember that numerous people have been outed as false flaggers.

kenneth 7y ago

There's an unequal power dynamic. There's been excessive aggression on both sides. There are many example of the police using far excessive force, of shooting tear gas in MTR stations, of terrorizing innocent bystanders when going after protesters. If the protestors are prosecuted for what they did, but the police get to walk away, it's unacceptable to them. They won't accept it.

gwathk 7y ago

You do list quite a few allegations against protestors. Let me remind you that the level of police brutality is unprecedented during this 86 days.[1] All these events have made meeting the five demands becoming the least HKSAR govt. aka CCP can do to calm the society down. Asking Hongkongers to take it as is now is not constructive and to some degree immature. I urge the govt please grow up and take responsibility. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Hong_Kong_Police_Force_misconduct_surrounding_the_2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extradition_bill_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Hong_Kong_Polic...