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Chinese people who show sympathy for HK protests risk getting doxxed by friends
- Leary 7y agoWhat legal remedies can those who were doxxed pursue?
- mrosett 7y agoIn China for supporting protests against the (puppet) government of Hong Kong? I have a guess...
- Leary 7y agoI was wondering for those who reside outside China, a lot of students, for example.
- HillRat 7y agoLegal remedy? This is what the state wants; as far as the legal system is concerned, if you’re doxxed, it’s because you’re a de facto enemy of the state. The future of China looks like the Cultural Revolution implemented as a “human flesh search engine.”
- mrosett 7y agoThis is dreadful. It seems more widespread than anything I've heard about in the US, but chillingly I fear the difference is only in degree, not kind. Plenty of Americans have been shamed and persecuted for holding "unacceptable" views, including views that were widely accepted not so long ago. Ideally articles like this will scare us away from wandering further down that path, but I'm not optimistic.
- chillwaves 7y ago> "unacceptable" views Outside of racism, sexism and homophobia, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Any examples? Climate change denial too. Sure. My point is these views generate real harm to society. How do we progress if large segments of society considers other segments genetically inferior, worthy of extermination? Religion is another. Did I miss any? What view was recently acceptable but is no longer?
- geowwy 7y agoThe point is that mob justice is bad, not that those things are good.
- __s 7y agoWhat if I told you that just because I have a different opinion than you about people who don't identity with their biological gender doesn't mean I think some segment of the population is worthy of extermination? Your post proves the OP's point. They implied that they have a different point of view on _something_, & you've attacked them for it Do you believe all views you consider acceptable today will be correct in a decade? You can instead make the argument that our views are monotonically converging towards "the right view" but that's acting like something can never reemerge from being out of fashion & consider this: acceptable is within your subculture. How are you going to interact with a different subculture that doesn't hold your views? Cultures need to avoid shouting down anyone who votes differently at the ballot box
- op9a0wii 7y agoHere are some: - Called racist and sexist if you disapprove of affirmative action in schools or the workplace (which by the way, polls consistently have shown the majority of Americans disapprove of AA) - Called transphobic if you don't want transgender women competing in sports with biological women, because of the unfair advantage - Called homophobic if you think gay pride parades are not a good idea (even if you're not anti-gay, you just think parades in general are disruptive to cities and streets, and also don't want almost-naked leathered men walking around your neighborhood) - Called sexist if you suggest that rape victims should go to the police as soon as possible after, rather than wait months or years later. Or that perhaps universities shouldn't be acting like courts without due process, and cases should go to the police instead. - And do you remember when Firefox's CEO was forced to resign because he donated to an anti-gay marriage prop (that actually won with >50% of the vote?) I mean, maybe the guy was just for civil unions instead, who knows what his reasoning was. None of these views would make someone actually racist or sexist but they are unacceptable to say publicly in left-leaning places like Silicon Valley.
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- justicezyx 7y agoConsidering how PC advocates doxxes people holding other political views, and the backfire that caused today's Trump situation, this should be dreaded!
- mhb 7y agoA Feminist Capitalist Professor Under Fire The students who demand her firing, Camille Paglia argues, take prosperity for granted, are socially undeveloped, and know little about Western history. Who’s Moses? https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-feminist-capitalist-professor-under-fire-11567201511 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-feminist-capitalist-professor...
- beepboopbeep 7y agoHere come the aggrieved-by-proxy to regale us with tales from the internet about people being mean to people vaguely similar to them selves. Let's listen in on today's strawmen
- throwaway5d097 7y agoIdentity politics is such made up right-wing bullshit. It's clear that you have to belong to a certain group to discuss anything to do with them, unless you are telling minorities what's best for them because you know better. People are not getting their views strawmanned leading to their characters and careers being destroyed and being inundated with death threats unless they deserve it, clearly.
- newfangle 7y agoChina is a country filled with ultra nationalists it is really not surprising that they would implement Nazi and Stalin era tactics.
- taobility 7y agoSo funny, your point is exactly how Chinese view USA right now.
- dirtyid 7y agoDoxxing / humanflesh search typically gets filtered by the great firewall because it promotes "activism", occasionally it's also weaponized. That said this isn't exactly a novel phenomenon, HK protestors has been doxxing police family for the last few months but of course that doesn't get much coverage here [1]. It's only remarkable in the sense that China (supposedly) isn't cracking down on it, implying state endorsement. I wonder if there's actual change in GFW policy, humanflesh doxxes usually get deleted after a period of time based on specific triggers (reach X critical shares, influence real life activity), is that not happening now or is this just business as usual? [1] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3024762/hong-kong-privacy-watchdog-refers-600-cases-doxxing https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30...
- ozzmotik 7y agoFor anyone else like me who is unfamiliar with the concept of human flesh search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_flesh_search_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_flesh_search_engine Learned something new and interesting today!
- codeisawesome 7y agoJeez what a name for the concept. I guess you’d just call it “human search engine” or “low tech search”... or even “crowdsourced search”...
- uranusjr 7y agoIt’s more of an unfortunate misinterpretation IMO. The translation is quite literal, but does not imply the same concept in Chinese as in English. The 人肉 part originally means human as in “the human calculator” or similar expressions. A “human search engine” (or more colloquially here in Taiwan, a human Google) is someone super good at finding information most can’t, and that expression is then turned into the verb.
- AFascistWorld 7y agoIn a society of extreme conformity, those who dare to not comply are seen as insulting to the rest.
- PavlovsCat 7y agoI would say to those who identified with aggressors have to project what broke them on those who resist it. Being silent is support, and people like Stephen Hawking would know nobody who think it's perfectly acceptable in polite society to be obedient and quiet. Alan Turing might have recognized the murderous cowardice inherent in it, too. One wouldn't know from those making selfies with the dead, and I wish the dead could speak, and scream "begone, I never knew you" where applicable. All it takes is for supposedly good people to do nothing. We understand that that is true about things that are static and behind glass, with the same little effort with which we pretend it's not true for things that are ongoing and ask for our position. We join in condemning tyrants of the past, and praising their victims in the past -- but how we (fail to) act in the present is what descides if that incense is sweet or reeks to high heaven. > You may be 38 years old, as I happen to be. And one day, some great opportunity stands before you and calls you to stand up for some great principle, some great issue, some great cause. And you refuse to do it because you are afraid... You refuse to do it because you want to live longer... You're afraid that you will lose your job, or you are afraid that you will be criticized or that you will lose your popularity, or you're afraid someone will stab you, or shoot at you or bomb your house; so you refuse to take the stand. > Well, you may go on and live until you are 90, but you're just as dead at 38 as you would be at 90. And the cessation of breathing in your life is but the belated announcement of an earlier death of the spirit. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. I know that some people don't like to hear that. I don't like those people.
- hoi 7y agoLikewise police in Hong Kong are also being Doxxed. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3024762/hong-kong-privacy-watchdog-refers-600-cases-doxxing https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30...
- Proven 7y agoList of previous CCP success stories: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_campaigns_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_campaigns_of_the_Com...