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stomach ulcers of course exist. these things are really messy and are a source of internal bleeding. no one was "making it up" (?). the question is one about e

stomach ulcers of course exist. these things are really messy and are a source of internal bleeding. no one was "making it up" (?). the question is one about etiology. the history suggests that the popular etiology (bacteria and probably also NSAIDs linearly cause stomach ulcers) is entirely insufficient. the questions you're asking ("we don't know what they were really suffering from") are important, but to most people these questions don't matter anymore. there is practically no medical research being done on these questions today. why bother? the "psychosomatic school" is the only school who takes the issue seriously anymore. their work is worth considering, that's my point.

h0l0cube 7y ago
My cousin has being diagnosed formally with MCS and co-morbid CFS, both illnesses with some controversy. I've spent time with them, and learnt that the "psychosomatic school" has always been the prevailing school of thought on the subject, and this presents many hurdles to their every day life, and potential treatment. The possibility that there's at least a component of the illnesses that aren't psychosomatic is worth considering, but such a school of thought has always been on the fringes, and serious funding to examine actual causation has always been a challenge for illness communities that have offhandedly been thrown straight into the looney bin.
- interpenetrate 7y ago
  yes the most successful analytic practice would be the one that could successfully traverse the boundaries we've constructed between mind and body. the idea is that h. pylori, for example, has a role to play (one way or another) in the reproduction of stomach ulcers, but the bacteria is not linearly causal. rather, it is situated in a complex dialectic web that modern medicine (and the "psychosomatic school" for that matter) are mostly unequipped to analyze. this is reflected in the gross failure of the diagnostic taxonomy produced by the medical/psychiatric industry whose validity should be (but is rarely) continuously questioned. for what it's worth the "psychosomatic school" i'm most familiar with criticizes harshly the "psychosomatic school" that i believe you're familiar with. indeed there are many ineffective and harmful centers for the treatment of "chronic illnesses." it's really shameful
  - H_Pylori 7y ago
    > the idea is that h. pylori, for example, has a role to play (one way or another) in the reproduction of stomach ulcers, but the bacteria is not linearly causal. Prove it

h0l0cube 7y ago

My cousin has being diagnosed formally with MCS and co-morbid CFS, both illnesses with some controversy. I've spent time with them, and learnt that the "psychosomatic school" has always been the prevailing school of thought on the subject, and this presents many hurdles to their every day life, and potential treatment. The possibility that there's at least a component of the illnesses that aren't psychosomatic is worth considering, but such a school of thought has always been on the fringes, and serious funding to examine actual causation has always been a challenge for illness communities that have offhandedly been thrown straight into the looney bin.

interpenetrate 7y ago
yes the most successful analytic practice would be the one that could successfully traverse the boundaries we've constructed between mind and body. the idea is that h. pylori, for example, has a role to play (one way or another) in the reproduction of stomach ulcers, but the bacteria is not linearly causal. rather, it is situated in a complex dialectic web that modern medicine (and the "psychosomatic school" for that matter) are mostly unequipped to analyze. this is reflected in the gross failure of the diagnostic taxonomy produced by the medical/psychiatric industry whose validity should be (but is rarely) continuously questioned. for what it's worth the "psychosomatic school" i'm most familiar with criticizes harshly the "psychosomatic school" that i believe you're familiar with. indeed there are many ineffective and harmful centers for the treatment of "chronic illnesses." it's really shameful
- H_Pylori 7y ago
  > the idea is that h. pylori, for example, has a role to play (one way or another) in the reproduction of stomach ulcers, but the bacteria is not linearly causal. Prove it