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But in this example, 'not having a car' means that we can't get to our job on time, so we lose income. Likewise, 'not being in the EU' means spending millions,

by fao_ 7y ago

But in this example, 'not having a car' means that we can't get to our job on time, so we lose income. Likewise, 'not being in the EU' means spending millions, possibly billions of pounds on lawyers to renegotiate deals (that we already have). We've already had to borrow lawyers from the EU because we do not have the legal manpower to enact Brexit! The worst thing about this is that the position the UK will be in, means that it does not have a good standpoint for bargaining. If the US loses trade deals with the UK, that's not terrible because the US still has trade deals with hundreds of other countries. If the UK loses trade deals with the US, that's catastrophic and puts us in a worse position for every other trade deal after that. The entire reason why Asia sees Brexit as "an oppotunity"[1][2] is because Britain will be on the back foot for all trade deals, they can negotiate harder and we are in a compromising position. [1]: https://asiahouse.org/india-sees-brexit-opportunity-indian-high-commissioner-yk-sinha/ https://asiahouse.org/india-sees-brexit-opportunity-indian-h... [2]: https://www.worldfinance.com/home/asia-finds-post-brexit-opportunities https://www.worldfinance.com/home/asia-finds-post-brexit-opp...

nailer 7y ago
And the salesperson loses income. Which is a pity as you buy cars pretty regularly. It's almost like, I don't know, a bilateral trade agreement. The UK is using lawyers from Europe, not from the EU, which is a political body. It's a very important distinction: the UK is withdrawing from a body where unelected people write laws, not making a xenophobic statement, despite people's attempts to frame it that way.
- fao_ 7y ago
  > the UK is withdrawing from a body where unelected people write laws They are elected. "A Member of the European Parliament (MEP) is a person who has been elected to serve as a popular representative in the European Parliament" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Parliament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Parl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_European_Parliament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_European_Parliam... http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/elections http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/el... > not making a xenophobic statement, despite people's attempts to frame it that way. Please explain why you think Joe Cox was murdered. Please explain why you think so many UKIP members are outed racists[0][1][2][3][4] (Notably, even Farage left UKIP because of the extremism). Please explain what you think the British National Front stands for. 0: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/henry-bolton-s-girlfriend-didn-t-bring-down-ukip-party-s-racism-problem-did https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/henry-bolto... 1: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/26/ukip-anti-muslim-bigotry-racist-europhobic-tories https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/26/ukip-a... 2: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/henry-bolton-ukip-racism-girlfriend-new-leader-jo-marney-a8172056.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/henry-bolton-ukip-racis... 3: https://www.itv.com/news/2018-12-04/former-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-quits-party/ https://www.itv.com/news/2018-12-04/former-ukip-leader-nigel... 4: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-choking-racism-its-wonderful-13681022 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-choking-racism-i...
  - nailer 7y ago
    MEPs don't write laws. You would know this with the bare minimum of research into the topic. (List of random bad things) I'll let you explain how those things are relevant. There will always be racists and crazy people. Mass immigration may create more of them if that's what you wish. You also write about racism yet link to an article about Islam. Islam isn't a race, you can read more about it using an internet search engine.
    - fao_ 7y ago
      > I'll let you explain how those things are relevant I stated their relevance above. > There will always be racists and crazy people. Please explain why there has been a noticable increase in 'crazy people' and fascist ideologies in the public eye since the introduction of brexit. > Mass immigration may create more of them if that's what you wish. [citation needed] > You also write about racism yet link to an article about Islam. Islam isn't a race, you can read more about it using an internet search engine. You obviously haven't done the bare minimum of reading on why Islamaphobia is deeply related to racism and in most forms consititutes racism and systemic bias. There are some good overviews of the relationship between islamaphobia and racism in the following links: https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/2512/is-it-racist-to-criticise-religion https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/2512/is-it-racist-to-cri... https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/taking-racism-seriously-islamophobia/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/taking-raci... http://theconversation.com/why-uks-working-definition-of-islamophobia-as-a-type-of-racism-is-a-historic-step-107657 http://theconversation.com/why-uks-working-definition-of-isl...

by fao_ 7y ago

nailer 7y ago

And the salesperson loses income. Which is a pity as you buy cars pretty regularly. It's almost like, I don't know, a bilateral trade agreement. The UK is using lawyers from Europe, not from the EU, which is a political body. It's a very important distinction: the UK is withdrawing from a body where unelected people write laws, not making a xenophobic statement, despite people's attempts to frame it that way.

fao_ 7y ago
> the UK is withdrawing from a body where unelected people write laws They are elected. "A Member of the European Parliament (MEP) is a person who has been elected to serve as a popular representative in the European Parliament" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Parliament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Parl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_European_Parliament https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_European_Parliam... http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/elections http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/el... > not making a xenophobic statement, despite people's attempts to frame it that way. Please explain why you think Joe Cox was murdered. Please explain why you think so many UKIP members are outed racists[0][1][2][3][4] (Notably, even Farage left UKIP because of the extremism). Please explain what you think the British National Front stands for. 0: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/henry-bolton-s-girlfriend-didn-t-bring-down-ukip-party-s-racism-problem-did https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/henry-bolto... 1: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/26/ukip-anti-muslim-bigotry-racist-europhobic-tories https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/26/ukip-a... 2: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/henry-bolton-ukip-racism-girlfriend-new-leader-jo-marney-a8172056.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/henry-bolton-ukip-racis... 3: https://www.itv.com/news/2018-12-04/former-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-quits-party/ https://www.itv.com/news/2018-12-04/former-ukip-leader-nigel... 4: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-choking-racism-its-wonderful-13681022 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-choking-racism-i...
- nailer 7y ago
  MEPs don't write laws. You would know this with the bare minimum of research into the topic. (List of random bad things) I'll let you explain how those things are relevant. There will always be racists and crazy people. Mass immigration may create more of them if that's what you wish. You also write about racism yet link to an article about Islam. Islam isn't a race, you can read more about it using an internet search engine.
  - fao_ 7y ago
    > I'll let you explain how those things are relevant I stated their relevance above. > There will always be racists and crazy people. Please explain why there has been a noticable increase in 'crazy people' and fascist ideologies in the public eye since the introduction of brexit. > Mass immigration may create more of them if that's what you wish. [citation needed] > You also write about racism yet link to an article about Islam. Islam isn't a race, you can read more about it using an internet search engine. You obviously haven't done the bare minimum of reading on why Islamaphobia is deeply related to racism and in most forms consititutes racism and systemic bias. There are some good overviews of the relationship between islamaphobia and racism in the following links: https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/2512/is-it-racist-to-criticise-religion https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/2512/is-it-racist-to-cri... https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/taking-racism-seriously-islamophobia/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/taking-raci... http://theconversation.com/why-uks-working-definition-of-islamophobia-as-a-type-of-racism-is-a-historic-step-107657 http://theconversation.com/why-uks-working-definition-of-isl...