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How is Nicorette unhealthy?

by brodouevencode 7y ago

s_dev 7y ago
It contains nicotene -- a well known carcinogenic.
- brodouevencode 7y ago
  I'm not so sure that's the case: https://cancer-code-europe.iarc.fr/index.php/en/ecac-12-ways/tobacco/199-nicotine-cause-cancer https://cancer-code-europe.iarc.fr/index.php/en/ecac-12-ways...
- slimed 7y ago
  Nicotine does not cause cancer.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Nicotine is not, in any way, a "well known carcinogen". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/
  - s_dev 7y ago
    From the abstract of your paper: Recent studies have shown that nicotine can affect several important steps in the development of cancer
    - EpicEng 7y ago
      Also from the paper >At present, it is not possible to draw a conclusion whether nicotine itself may act as a complete carcinogen If you're going to quote it, include the bits that don't agree with you as well. The paper basically says "it may affect the role of other cancer causing agents, but we're not sure yet. We cannot say that nicotine is, in and of itself, a carcinogen" Also reach back in time 30 minutes and remember that you claimed nicotine is, by itself, a "well known carcinogen", which is false.
coder4life 7y ago
Nicotine is NOT a carcinogenic. Lots of things in a cigarette are, but not the one thing that people want from it. https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight/2018/07/nicotine-cause-cancer/ https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight/2018/07/nicotine-cause-...
wil421 7y ago
The local news and hospitals were citing a recent upward trend in the numbers of teens with a certain lung symptom. They linked it to vaping in teens. At the very end of the segment they said the lung issue could be caused by nicotine alone being inhaled, didn’t matter it if was vape or smoke.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Which would be a ridiculous use case. Everything is deadly at a high enough dose. No one in their right mind is vaping pure nicotine. It could kill you via skin absorption alone.
dragonwriter 7y ago
It's an immunosuppressant. Which can be useful at times, but the immune system has an important function and you probably don't want it suppressed except as a specific measured response to a particular problem.
fucking_tragedy 7y ago
Nicotine is a stimulant, and stimulants are not without side-effects. There isn't a stimulant known that doesn't put stress on the cardiovascular system. Nicotine increases blood pressure, heart rate and vasoconstriction. Reminder that a low-grade stimulant like caffeine is considered to have deleterious effects.

How is Nicorette unhealthy?

s_dev 7y ago

It contains nicotene -- a well known carcinogenic.

brodouevencode 7y ago
I'm not so sure that's the case: https://cancer-code-europe.iarc.fr/index.php/en/ecac-12-ways/tobacco/199-nicotine-cause-cancer https://cancer-code-europe.iarc.fr/index.php/en/ecac-12-ways...
slimed 7y ago
Nicotine does not cause cancer.
EpicEng 7y ago
Nicotine is not, in any way, a "well known carcinogen". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/
- s_dev 7y ago
  From the abstract of your paper: Recent studies have shown that nicotine can affect several important steps in the development of cancer
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    Also from the paper >At present, it is not possible to draw a conclusion whether nicotine itself may act as a complete carcinogen If you're going to quote it, include the bits that don't agree with you as well. The paper basically says "it may affect the role of other cancer causing agents, but we're not sure yet. We cannot say that nicotine is, in and of itself, a carcinogen" Also reach back in time 30 minutes and remember that you claimed nicotine is, by itself, a "well known carcinogen", which is false.

coder4life 7y ago

Nicotine is NOT a carcinogenic. Lots of things in a cigarette are, but not the one thing that people want from it. https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight/2018/07/nicotine-cause-cancer/ https://blog.dana-farber.org/insight/2018/07/nicotine-cause-...

wil421 7y ago

The local news and hospitals were citing a recent upward trend in the numbers of teens with a certain lung symptom. They linked it to vaping in teens. At the very end of the segment they said the lung issue could be caused by nicotine alone being inhaled, didn’t matter it if was vape or smoke.

EpicEng 7y ago
Which would be a ridiculous use case. Everything is deadly at a high enough dose. No one in their right mind is vaping pure nicotine. It could kill you via skin absorption alone.

dragonwriter 7y ago

It's an immunosuppressant. Which can be useful at times, but the immune system has an important function and you probably don't want it suppressed except as a specific measured response to a particular problem.

fucking_tragedy 7y ago

Nicotine is a stimulant, and stimulants are not without side-effects. There isn't a stimulant known that doesn't put stress on the cardiovascular system. Nicotine increases blood pressure, heart rate and vasoconstriction. Reminder that a low-grade stimulant like caffeine is considered to have deleterious effects.