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You and your SO might want to look at the state of the glaciers and realise that you might not get much more skiing if things continue as they are. And saying

You and your SO might want to look at the state of the glaciers and realise that you might not get much more skiing if things continue as they are. And saying “don’t fly, knuckleheads” isn’t the same as saying “don’t ski”. The snow trains are arguably a better way to do it: you don’t have to get a stupidly early flight and you don’t face a 2+ hr coach ride to the resort. In some resorts the train leaves you ten minutes from the slopes. That’s how we help in small ways with this, not short-sighted stubbornness but with better solutions. Fewer skiers flying might change the economics of Nightstar too: a proper luxury sleeper train from London to the slopes. I’d genuinely prefer that to ever getting a coach again.

bronco21016 7y ago
Ok so you solved getting to the alps from Europe. Now how does the rest of the world get there?
- bronco21016 7y ago
  Suppose I’m being downvoted by the environmentalists. The grand parent poster highlighted how pragmatic solutions are more important than asking people to full stop degrade their quality of life. The parent post then argues a ‘pragmatic’ solution is taking the train to the alps while completely ignoring that a large percentage of people visiting that particular location likely does not have access solely by train. I believe trains for regional or even continental transportation are an excellent goal. However, the train as the key to solving transportation emissions completely misses the point that we are an intercontinental species at this point. Flying is the only practical method of moving people across the seas and likely will be for the foreseeable future. Solving emissions for flying vehicles seems a far more likely scenario than getting the world, and the people spread all over it, to stop flying. Trains can only solve a portion of the equation.
yrro 7y ago
Winter sports is fucking up the ecosystem of the Alps anyway. This is made worse by artificial snow which ensures that more ground is covered by more snow for a longer season. https://youtu.be/K9MaGf-Su9I https://youtu.be/K9MaGf-Su9I

bronco21016 7y ago

Ok so you solved getting to the alps from Europe. Now how does the rest of the world get there?

bronco21016 7y ago
Suppose I’m being downvoted by the environmentalists. The grand parent poster highlighted how pragmatic solutions are more important than asking people to full stop degrade their quality of life. The parent post then argues a ‘pragmatic’ solution is taking the train to the alps while completely ignoring that a large percentage of people visiting that particular location likely does not have access solely by train. I believe trains for regional or even continental transportation are an excellent goal. However, the train as the key to solving transportation emissions completely misses the point that we are an intercontinental species at this point. Flying is the only practical method of moving people across the seas and likely will be for the foreseeable future. Solving emissions for flying vehicles seems a far more likely scenario than getting the world, and the people spread all over it, to stop flying. Trains can only solve a portion of the equation.

yrro 7y ago

Winter sports is fucking up the ecosystem of the Alps anyway. This is made worse by artificial snow which ensures that more ground is covered by more snow for a longer season. https://youtu.be/K9MaGf-Su9I https://youtu.be/K9MaGf-Su9I