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Honestly there nothing ambiguous about it so I don't get why you were confused. Take the current power, divide by 3, that is the new usage.

by MiroF 7y ago

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jansan 7y ago
So decreasing by 3 is the same as decreasing by 66%?
- thecompilr 7y ago
  Exactly
- distances 7y ago
  Probably some US colloquialism? Doesn't make sense to me either, except in the sense "went down 300%" which obviously wasn't the purpose here.
  - abdulmuhaimin 7y ago
    nah, its quite common here even in Southeast Asia
- jerf 7y ago
  I dislike this common usage as well because of the weird properties it has too (if "decrease by two thirds" and "decrease by three" is the same, the "decrease by" function has a rather weird shape, also, 66% faster = 200% faster?), but at this point, seeing someone use the term the way I think is "correct" is the exception that I notice rather than the rule. This fight is lost. When speaking myself I tend to just use an unambiguous construct (e.g., "the code takes only 1/3rd as long to run") and let everybody else do their own thing. It's rare for it to be a real problem. Honestly, doing any sort of math with percentages in particular is just silly and should be avoided. Schools try to teach an official interpretation of "56 + 34%", but it's clear it doesn't stick and the adult world uses it fairly inconsistently in general. (In specific cases it is used unambiguously, for example, the accounting world, but in general, it's very sloppy.)
- whatshisface 7y ago
  Decreasing or increasing by a factor is mathematically cleaner than decreasing or increasing by a percent. To decrease by a percent the formula is (1 - 66/100)*x, to decrease by a factor of three the formula is x/3. It might not seem like a big difference, but the latter can make things a lot cleaner in long finance formulas.
- keymone 7y ago
  no, decreasing by 3 is `a - 3` decreasing by factor of 3 is `a / 3` or `a * 0.(3)` or `a * 33.(3)%` or `a - a * 66.6%` edit: math is hard!
- apazzolini 7y ago
  Do you have similar issues with the phrase "increased by 2x"?
- MiroF 7y ago
  Why the need to convert to percent?
deftturtle 7y ago
When people say 3 fold, they mean 3 times. I think fold should mean 2^3. When you fold a piece of paper, it doubles each time. So on the news when they talk about a 10 fold increase, I know they mean 10 times and not 1024 times. Does anyone else here feel the same, or is fold just another confusing colloquialism?
- jcranberry 7y ago
  Well, when you fold something you don't necessarily have to fold it in half.

Honestly there nothing ambiguous about it so I don't get why you were confused. Take the current power, divide by 3, that is the new usage.

by MiroF 7y ago

Honestly there nothing ambiguous about it so I don't get why you were confused. Take the current power, divide by 3, that is the new usage.

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jansan 7y ago

So decreasing by 3 is the same as decreasing by 66%?

thecompilr 7y ago
Exactly
distances 7y ago
Probably some US colloquialism? Doesn't make sense to me either, except in the sense "went down 300%" which obviously wasn't the purpose here.
- abdulmuhaimin 7y ago
  nah, its quite common here even in Southeast Asia
jerf 7y ago
I dislike this common usage as well because of the weird properties it has too (if "decrease by two thirds" and "decrease by three" is the same, the "decrease by" function has a rather weird shape, also, 66% faster = 200% faster?), but at this point, seeing someone use the term the way I think is "correct" is the exception that I notice rather than the rule. This fight is lost. When speaking myself I tend to just use an unambiguous construct (e.g., "the code takes only 1/3rd as long to run") and let everybody else do their own thing. It's rare for it to be a real problem. Honestly, doing any sort of math with percentages in particular is just silly and should be avoided. Schools try to teach an official interpretation of "56 + 34%", but it's clear it doesn't stick and the adult world uses it fairly inconsistently in general. (In specific cases it is used unambiguously, for example, the accounting world, but in general, it's very sloppy.)
whatshisface 7y ago
Decreasing or increasing by a factor is mathematically cleaner than decreasing or increasing by a percent. To decrease by a percent the formula is (1 - 66/100)*x, to decrease by a factor of three the formula is x/3. It might not seem like a big difference, but the latter can make things a lot cleaner in long finance formulas.
keymone 7y ago
no, decreasing by 3 is `a - 3` decreasing by factor of 3 is `a / 3` or `a * 0.(3)` or `a * 33.(3)%` or `a - a * 66.6%` edit: math is hard!
apazzolini 7y ago
Do you have similar issues with the phrase "increased by 2x"?
MiroF 7y ago
Why the need to convert to percent?

deftturtle 7y ago

When people say 3 fold, they mean 3 times. I think fold should mean 2^3. When you fold a piece of paper, it doubles each time. So on the news when they talk about a 10 fold increase, I know they mean 10 times and not 1024 times. Does anyone else here feel the same, or is fold just another confusing colloquialism?

jcranberry 7y ago
Well, when you fold something you don't necessarily have to fold it in half.