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I don't think so (well, not entirely so anyway). I had switched to "50% less sugar & salt" [0] some months ago, and more recently discovered the "no added suga

by k_ 7y ago

I don't think so (well, not entirely so anyway). I had switched to "50% less sugar & salt" [0] some months ago, and more recently discovered the "no added sugar & salt" [1] version and use this one since then. Sure it's not exactly the same taste as "regular" heinz ketchup but I'd say it's close enough. [0]: https://www.heinz.co.uk/products/tomato_ketchup/products/heinz-tomato-ketchup-50-less-sugar-salt https://www.heinz.co.uk/products/tomato_ketchup/products/hei... [1]: https://www.heinz.co.uk/products/tomato_ketchup/products/tomato-ketchup-no-added-sugar-salt https://www.heinz.co.uk/products/tomato_ketchup/products/tom...

unwind 7y ago
Uh, regarding your second link to the sugar-free version, how can Heinz claim it's using "No artificial colours, flavors, preservatives or thickeners" when the product is sweetened with Sucralose? Wikipedia's text about Sucralose [1] starts: Sucralose is an artificial sweetener and sugar substitute [...] Is "sweet" not considered a flavor, due to some marketing double-speak? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose
- simiones 7y ago
  Technically, I guess "sweet" is a taste, i.e. felt on the tongue, whereas flavors are smells...
  - unwind 7y ago
    Perhaps (I'm not a native speaker) but that doesn't mesh with my understanding of the word. Wikipedia's entry on Flavor [1] says: A "flavorant" is defined as a substance that gives another substance flavor, altering the characteristics of the solute, causing it to become sweet, sour, tangy, etc. A flavor is a quality of something that affects the sense of taste. So they claim that "sweet" is a flavor, which to me makes it obvious that Sucralose, being a sweetener, is acting as flavoring. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor
    - testvox 7y ago
      I agree using the common definitions sweeteners could be called flavors. However the FDA has only approved sucralose as a non-nutritive sweetener which for regulatory purposes is a different category of ingredient than artificial flavors. Approved artificial flavors: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=172.515 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR... Approved artificial sweeteners: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/additional-information-about-high-intensity-sweeteners-permitted-use-food-united-states#sucralose https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/additional...
- Pete_D 7y ago
  (disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, I just have too much time on my hands). It seems that the EU regulations distinguish between additives, enzymes, and flavourings, and that sweeteners fall under additives. Regulation on additives includes sweeteners alongside colours, emulsifiers, etc: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32008R1333#d1e32-29-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32... Regulation on flavourings excludes sweeteners: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32008R1334 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32... (2. This Regulation shall not apply to: (a) substances which have exclusively a sweet, sour or salty taste;)

by k_ 7y ago

unwind 7y ago

Uh, regarding your second link to the sugar-free version, how can Heinz claim it's using "No artificial colours, flavors, preservatives or thickeners" when the product is sweetened with Sucralose? Wikipedia's text about Sucralose [1] starts: Sucralose is an artificial sweetener and sugar substitute [...] Is "sweet" not considered a flavor, due to some marketing double-speak? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose

simiones 7y ago
Technically, I guess "sweet" is a taste, i.e. felt on the tongue, whereas flavors are smells...
- unwind 7y ago
  Perhaps (I'm not a native speaker) but that doesn't mesh with my understanding of the word. Wikipedia's entry on Flavor [1] says: A "flavorant" is defined as a substance that gives another substance flavor, altering the characteristics of the solute, causing it to become sweet, sour, tangy, etc. A flavor is a quality of something that affects the sense of taste. So they claim that "sweet" is a flavor, which to me makes it obvious that Sucralose, being a sweetener, is acting as flavoring. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor
  - testvox 7y ago
    I agree using the common definitions sweeteners could be called flavors. However the FDA has only approved sucralose as a non-nutritive sweetener which for regulatory purposes is a different category of ingredient than artificial flavors. Approved artificial flavors: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=172.515 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR... Approved artificial sweeteners: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/additional-information-about-high-intensity-sweeteners-permitted-use-food-united-states#sucralose https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/additional...
Pete_D 7y ago
(disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, I just have too much time on my hands). It seems that the EU regulations distinguish between additives, enzymes, and flavourings, and that sweeteners fall under additives. Regulation on additives includes sweeteners alongside colours, emulsifiers, etc: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32008R1333#d1e32-29-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32... Regulation on flavourings excludes sweeteners: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32008R1334 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32... (2. This Regulation shall not apply to: (a) substances which have exclusively a sweet, sour or salty taste;)