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> Tomato sauce is not ketchup, it's a completely different thing. Really? I've always assumed that ketchup is just what Americans call tomato sauce.

knodi 7y ago
No.
SllX 7y ago
Tomato jam would be better description, though that’s also a whole other condiment which is apparently pretty popular in South Africa. We don’t typically serve our pasta with ketchup[1]. [1] The Japanese however, might. https://www.japanesecooking101.com/spaghetti-neapolitan/ https://www.japanesecooking101.com/spaghetti-neapolitan/ I’ve tasted variants of this. It isn’t for me, but I never cared for ketchup.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
  Fun fact: Japanese Naporitan pasta (basically spaghetti with ketchup) originates from US military rations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan The Japanese can only blame themselves for the ketchup-flavored popsicles though: https://soranews24.com/2014/03/27/we-drink-japans-spaghetti-popsicle-seriously/ https://soranews24.com/2014/03/27/we-drink-japans-spaghetti-...
michaelt 7y ago
Ketchup is a sauce with tomatoes in, but it generally includes vinegar, salt and quite a lot of sugar; tends to have a consistent, lump-free texture; it's applied to greasy food like fries and hamburgers; and only about one tablespoon would be used per meal. On the other hand, a pasta sauce would generally retain chunks of tomato, use less (or even no) vinegar, salt or sugar per unit volume; and it would be applied to non-greasy pasta in much larger volumes :)
- markdown 7y ago
  > Ketchup is a sauce with tomatoes in, but it generally includes vinegar, salt and quite a lot of sugar; tends to have a consistent, lump-free texture; it's applied to greasy food like fries and hamburgers; and only about one tablespoon would be used per meal. What you've described is just called tomato sauce in my part of the world (Pacific Islands, Australia, New Zealand). So what we call tomato sauce, you call ketchup. EDIT: I found this https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/heinz-ketchup-australia-tomato-sauce https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/heinz-ketchup-australi...
  - dagw 7y ago
    So what we call tomato sauce, you call ketchup. Interesting. Do you have a different word for the tomato based sauce made from fresh or canned tomatoes often used on pizzas and pasta?
    - NickNameNick 7y ago
      Pizza sauce (or possibly tomato paste), and pasta sauce, respectively. Tomato Sauce and Ketchup aren't quite the same thing here - ketchup is probably stronger and thicker, but they are used the same way.
    - EdwardDiego 7y ago
      We do tomato paste and tomato puree. Typically use the paste for a pizza base, and if you're making your own pasta sauce, tomato puree with a dollop of paste to up the tomatoeness.
  - EdwardDiego 7y ago
    Ketchup tastes like it has more vinegar in it than tomato sauce, but that's a highly subjective Kiwi opinion. Incidentally, the best tomato sauce is whatever magical sauce they use on the hot-dogs at A&P shows.
- henrikschroder 7y ago
  > Ketchup is a sauce with tomatoes in Historically, ketchup was a class of condiments that all had a lot of umami like fish sauces and oyster sauces. Over time, different ketchups were invented, one of which was tomato ketchup. Its popularity grew, and the other ketchups were forgotten, so these days ketchup is synonymous with tomato ketchup.
hug 7y ago
Are you Australian? For the confused people in the audience: There is a product, in Australia, much like ketchup, marketed as “tomato sauce”. Yes, people make pasta sauce with it. Yes, pasta sauce made from scratch is better. It’s not so dissimilar from ketchup, just a little less vinegary.
- richrichardsson 7y ago
  British rarely refer to ketchup as ketchup, we almost exclusively refer to it as "tomato sauce".
  - pm215 7y ago
    I'm British, and I refer to ketchup as ketchup. This may be regional; I'm southern-English. I'd probably by default assume that if you said 'tomato sauce' you meant a generic tomato-based sauce, not the specific condiment Heinz &c make.
    - jfk13 7y ago
      Also southern English, and this matches my understanding of the terminology. But yes, I believe usage does vary regionally.
  - abrugsch 7y ago
    or even worse, "Red Sauce"
    - richrichardsson 7y ago
      Yeah, you hear that a lot in "greasy spoon" establishments, perhaps because there isn't enough tomato in the recipe to claim it as such?
  - _sid 7y ago
    I'm British and I've only ever experienced people calling it ketchup

knodi 7y ago

No.

SllX 7y ago

Tomato jam would be better description, though that’s also a whole other condiment which is apparently pretty popular in South Africa. We don’t typically serve our pasta with ketchup[1]. [1] The Japanese however, might. https://www.japanesecooking101.com/spaghetti-neapolitan/ https://www.japanesecooking101.com/spaghetti-neapolitan/ I’ve tasted variants of this. It isn’t for me, but I never cared for ketchup.

9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
Fun fact: Japanese Naporitan pasta (basically spaghetti with ketchup) originates from US military rations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan The Japanese can only blame themselves for the ketchup-flavored popsicles though: https://soranews24.com/2014/03/27/we-drink-japans-spaghetti-popsicle-seriously/ https://soranews24.com/2014/03/27/we-drink-japans-spaghetti-...

michaelt 7y ago

Ketchup is a sauce with tomatoes in, but it generally includes vinegar, salt and quite a lot of sugar; tends to have a consistent, lump-free texture; it's applied to greasy food like fries and hamburgers; and only about one tablespoon would be used per meal. On the other hand, a pasta sauce would generally retain chunks of tomato, use less (or even no) vinegar, salt or sugar per unit volume; and it would be applied to non-greasy pasta in much larger volumes :)

markdown 7y ago
> Ketchup is a sauce with tomatoes in, but it generally includes vinegar, salt and quite a lot of sugar; tends to have a consistent, lump-free texture; it's applied to greasy food like fries and hamburgers; and only about one tablespoon would be used per meal. What you've described is just called tomato sauce in my part of the world (Pacific Islands, Australia, New Zealand). So what we call tomato sauce, you call ketchup. EDIT: I found this https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/heinz-ketchup-australia-tomato-sauce https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/heinz-ketchup-australi...
- dagw 7y ago
  So what we call tomato sauce, you call ketchup. Interesting. Do you have a different word for the tomato based sauce made from fresh or canned tomatoes often used on pizzas and pasta?
  - NickNameNick 7y ago
    Pizza sauce (or possibly tomato paste), and pasta sauce, respectively. Tomato Sauce and Ketchup aren't quite the same thing here - ketchup is probably stronger and thicker, but they are used the same way.
  - EdwardDiego 7y ago
    We do tomato paste and tomato puree. Typically use the paste for a pizza base, and if you're making your own pasta sauce, tomato puree with a dollop of paste to up the tomatoeness.
- EdwardDiego 7y ago
  Ketchup tastes like it has more vinegar in it than tomato sauce, but that's a highly subjective Kiwi opinion. Incidentally, the best tomato sauce is whatever magical sauce they use on the hot-dogs at A&P shows.
henrikschroder 7y ago
> Ketchup is a sauce with tomatoes in Historically, ketchup was a class of condiments that all had a lot of umami like fish sauces and oyster sauces. Over time, different ketchups were invented, one of which was tomato ketchup. Its popularity grew, and the other ketchups were forgotten, so these days ketchup is synonymous with tomato ketchup.

hug 7y ago

Are you Australian? For the confused people in the audience: There is a product, in Australia, much like ketchup, marketed as “tomato sauce”. Yes, people make pasta sauce with it. Yes, pasta sauce made from scratch is better. It’s not so dissimilar from ketchup, just a little less vinegary.

richrichardsson 7y ago
British rarely refer to ketchup as ketchup, we almost exclusively refer to it as "tomato sauce".
- pm215 7y ago
  I'm British, and I refer to ketchup as ketchup. This may be regional; I'm southern-English. I'd probably by default assume that if you said 'tomato sauce' you meant a generic tomato-based sauce, not the specific condiment Heinz &c make.
  - jfk13 7y ago
    Also southern English, and this matches my understanding of the terminology. But yes, I believe usage does vary regionally.
- abrugsch 7y ago
  or even worse, "Red Sauce"
  - richrichardsson 7y ago
    Yeah, you hear that a lot in "greasy spoon" establishments, perhaps because there isn't enough tomato in the recipe to claim it as such?
- _sid 7y ago
  I'm British and I've only ever experienced people calling it ketchup