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> "right to be forgotten" type of policy The right to be forgotten is a right, as the name suggests. It always existed, if I want to be fogotten IRL I can, w

> "right to be forgotten" type of policy The right to be forgotten is a right, as the name suggests. It always existed, if I want to be fogotten IRL I can, why shouldn't it be possible online? What's the difference between deleting my social timeline and burning my pictures or my diary? One of my favourite books is "The Late Mattia Pascal" (Il fu Mattia Pascal) from Luigi Pirandello, it was written in 1904 and it's the story of a man who's unhappy and one day discovers that his wife and mother in law found a body and declared it to be his own, so he becomes officialy a dead person. He takes advantage of the fact to escape his true identity and create a new one, settling in Rome, far from were he was born. The story is fascinating and a masterpiece about what's really "identity", how we all wear masks and how we all are different (sometimes very) people depending on who you ask.

jpttsn 7y ago
It’s not possible IRL. If I want my picture gone from the high school yearbook, nobody will help me track down every copy and mask the image. If I want the local grocery cashier not to greet me by name, I can’t make them forget me.
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  > If I want the local grocery cashier not to greet me by name, I can’t make them forget me. You can go to another grocery store. It's your right. Sometimes solutions are simple. Rest assured that in a few months nobody will remember you at the old store.
- Kbelicius 7y ago
  > It’s not possible IRL. > If I want my picture gone from the high school yearbook AFAIK right to be forgotten, at least in EU, is the right to request that search engines do not display information about an individual that is factually incorrect, obsolete.... it has nothing to do with deleting actual information.
  - lostjohnny 7y ago
    This! The right to be forgotten (or to oblivion) is just the right to have your private informations deleted and the guarantee that what you delete online is really deleted and nobody can recover it. It's not the right to be removed from other's people memory.
    - Kbelicius 7y ago
      > This! >The right to be forgotten (or to oblivion) is just the right to have your private informations deleted and the guarantee that what you delete online is really deleted and nobody can recover it. You say "this" and then written something completely different to what I wrote. As I said, AFAIK the right to be forgotten doesn't give you the right to delete any information. It just gives you the right to remove some information from appearing in search engines. An example I remember that happened in Netherlands is of a doctor that lost her medical license. When you searched her name, the first result was an article on some news site that she lost her license. On appeal she got it back and using the right to be forgotten she removed that news article from search results. The article is still there on that news site it just doesn't appear in search results when you search her name.
      - lostjohnny 7y ago
        > As I said, AFAIK the right to be forgotten doesn't give you the right to delete any information. It just gives you the right to remove some information from appearing in search engines. Sorry, probably lost in translation. I never said you have the right to delete any information, just you private informations and any data you own and you ask the controller to delete. I don't know if you are aware that in EU for EU citizens we have the GDPR legislation. Let's cite the law, Article 17, GDPR legislation > Art. 17 GDPR > Right to erasure (‘right to be forgotten’) > The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure > of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller > shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/ https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/ In particular, the controller has the right to retain your personal data (including the data you posted publicly) until you consent to it, if you revoke the consent, you can ask to stop the processing (art. 18) and delete everything they have about you. If you comment on a social network, for example, that comment identifies you, because it is linked to your username, it has metadata attached to it, it can be used to track you, it is considered personal data, you can ask for removal. Unless there is a (very) valid reason, the controller has to comply and delete every copy of the data, including backups (and soft deleted data that's still there).
sacheendra 7y ago
Let me take a shot at answering this. The idea is that the internet is a social construct. The information it holds is shared knowledge accessible to everyone. Contrast burning your photos with burning all copies of a book. On the internet, a lot of things exist in the gray area between them. That makes it difficult to judge if the info that was is private or public.
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  > The information it holds is shared knowledge accessible to everyone. Unless I want to delete what's mine. I have no obligation of leaving it there for others to read. > Contrast burning your photos with burning all copies of a book That's a very wrong comparison. You burn many copies of a single book While I defend the right of deleting a single copy of the private work of a single human Just like a painter has the right to destroy their own paintings. it's already happened before it is a right and it is unalienable https://news.artnet.com/art-world/blu-destroys-bologna-street-art-448658 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/blu-destroys-bologna-stree... https://www.streetartbln.com/blu-murals-painted-over/ https://www.streetartbln.com/blu-murals-painted-over/

jpttsn 7y ago

It’s not possible IRL. If I want my picture gone from the high school yearbook, nobody will help me track down every copy and mask the image. If I want the local grocery cashier not to greet me by name, I can’t make them forget me.

lostjohnny 7y ago
> If I want the local grocery cashier not to greet me by name, I can’t make them forget me. You can go to another grocery store. It's your right. Sometimes solutions are simple. Rest assured that in a few months nobody will remember you at the old store.
Kbelicius 7y ago
> It’s not possible IRL. > If I want my picture gone from the high school yearbook AFAIK right to be forgotten, at least in EU, is the right to request that search engines do not display information about an individual that is factually incorrect, obsolete.... it has nothing to do with deleting actual information.
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  This! The right to be forgotten (or to oblivion) is just the right to have your private informations deleted and the guarantee that what you delete online is really deleted and nobody can recover it. It's not the right to be removed from other's people memory.
  - Kbelicius 7y ago
    > This! >The right to be forgotten (or to oblivion) is just the right to have your private informations deleted and the guarantee that what you delete online is really deleted and nobody can recover it. You say "this" and then written something completely different to what I wrote. As I said, AFAIK the right to be forgotten doesn't give you the right to delete any information. It just gives you the right to remove some information from appearing in search engines. An example I remember that happened in Netherlands is of a doctor that lost her medical license. When you searched her name, the first result was an article on some news site that she lost her license. On appeal she got it back and using the right to be forgotten she removed that news article from search results. The article is still there on that news site it just doesn't appear in search results when you search her name.
    - lostjohnny 7y ago
      > As I said, AFAIK the right to be forgotten doesn't give you the right to delete any information. It just gives you the right to remove some information from appearing in search engines. Sorry, probably lost in translation. I never said you have the right to delete any information, just you private informations and any data you own and you ask the controller to delete. I don't know if you are aware that in EU for EU citizens we have the GDPR legislation. Let's cite the law, Article 17, GDPR legislation > Art. 17 GDPR > Right to erasure (‘right to be forgotten’) > The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure > of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller > shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/ https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/ In particular, the controller has the right to retain your personal data (including the data you posted publicly) until you consent to it, if you revoke the consent, you can ask to stop the processing (art. 18) and delete everything they have about you. If you comment on a social network, for example, that comment identifies you, because it is linked to your username, it has metadata attached to it, it can be used to track you, it is considered personal data, you can ask for removal. Unless there is a (very) valid reason, the controller has to comply and delete every copy of the data, including backups (and soft deleted data that's still there).

sacheendra 7y ago

Let me take a shot at answering this. The idea is that the internet is a social construct. The information it holds is shared knowledge accessible to everyone. Contrast burning your photos with burning all copies of a book. On the internet, a lot of things exist in the gray area between them. That makes it difficult to judge if the info that was is private or public.

lostjohnny 7y ago
> The information it holds is shared knowledge accessible to everyone. Unless I want to delete what's mine. I have no obligation of leaving it there for others to read. > Contrast burning your photos with burning all copies of a book That's a very wrong comparison. You burn many copies of a single book While I defend the right of deleting a single copy of the private work of a single human Just like a painter has the right to destroy their own paintings. it's already happened before it is a right and it is unalienable https://news.artnet.com/art-world/blu-destroys-bologna-street-art-448658 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/blu-destroys-bologna-stree... https://www.streetartbln.com/blu-murals-painted-over/ https://www.streetartbln.com/blu-murals-painted-over/