5 ms·

Things like these are still the reason I am not switching away from Mac OS

emersion 7y ago
Side note: FreeBSD, i3 and X11 aren't the easiest pieces of software to use if you don't want to spend time dealing with configuration files. There are better macOS alternatives for your use-case!
namirez 7y ago
I think the target audience here are the FreeBSD users, not the all Unix users. Mind you, installing Linux on Thinkpads is usually hassel-free, but again it's only useful for someone who wants Linux.
interfixus 7y ago
I bring you jolly tidings. You can put an image of, say, Manjaro Linux on a stick, boot it up, answer a few questions about language and keyboard, and have a fully working install on your ThinkPad inside of ten minutes. Am writing this from such a setup on my TP.
rubber_duck 7y ago
It used to be that Mac had better hardware support but after going through all the shit I did with Vega 20 MBP and my USBC LG 5k monitor - forcing me to switch to a beta branch to get support. And the keyboard issues. Mac OS is far from panacea.
kbumsik 7y ago
Congrats, now you literally can't switch away from macOS! Thanks for the new T2 chip you can't use native Linux/BSD (anything other than Windows and macOS.) UEFI is fine booting a third party OS when SecureBoot is disabled BUT the T2 chip blocks accessing the internal storage from those OSs [1][2] [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/a4thsc/the_actual_full_story_about_apples_t2_chip_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/a4thsc/the_actual_fu... [2] https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1067232394934083584 https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1067232394934083584
- dchest 7y ago
  T2 chip doesn't block access, Linux just didn't have a suitable driver ("It's not NVMe compliant, hence it won't work with the in-kernel NVMe driver" https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202567 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202567). There's a kernel patch to make it work: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/issues/71#issuecomment-507325112 https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/issues/71#issuecom...
einpoklum 7y ago
No, that's not the reason you're not switching away. That's an _excuse_ not to switch away from a commercial OS by a fat-cat tax-evading patent-bullying contrator-employee-suicide-inducing corporation.

Side note: FreeBSD, i3 and X11 aren't the easiest pieces of software to use if you don't want to spend time dealing with configuration files. There are better macOS alternatives for your use-case!

namirez 7y ago

I think the target audience here are the FreeBSD users, not the all Unix users. Mind you, installing Linux on Thinkpads is usually hassel-free, but again it's only useful for someone who wants Linux.

interfixus 7y ago

I bring you jolly tidings. You can put an image of, say, Manjaro Linux on a stick, boot it up, answer a few questions about language and keyboard, and have a fully working install on your ThinkPad inside of ten minutes. Am writing this from such a setup on my TP.

rubber_duck 7y ago

It used to be that Mac had better hardware support but after going through all the shit I did with Vega 20 MBP and my USBC LG 5k monitor - forcing me to switch to a beta branch to get support. And the keyboard issues. Mac OS is far from panacea.

kbumsik 7y ago

Congrats, now you literally can't switch away from macOS! Thanks for the new T2 chip you can't use native Linux/BSD (anything other than Windows and macOS.) UEFI is fine booting a third party OS when SecureBoot is disabled BUT the T2 chip blocks accessing the internal storage from those OSs [1][2] [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/a4thsc/the_actual_full_story_about_apples_t2_chip_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/a4thsc/the_actual_fu... [2] https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1067232394934083584 https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1067232394934083584

dchest 7y ago
T2 chip doesn't block access, Linux just didn't have a suitable driver ("It's not NVMe compliant, hence it won't work with the in-kernel NVMe driver" https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202567 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202567). There's a kernel patch to make it work: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/issues/71#issuecomment-507325112 https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/issues/71#issuecom...

einpoklum 7y ago

No, that's not the reason you're not switching away. That's an _excuse_ not to switch away from a commercial OS by a fat-cat tax-evading patent-bullying contrator-employee-suicide-inducing corporation.