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I know I should not post reaction-posts here. But this is Truly Horrifying in more than one way. Did they not even investigate your claim? Or did they just set

I know I should not post reaction-posts here. But this is Truly Horrifying in more than one way. Did they not even investigate your claim? Or did they just settle with labeling you a crackpot conspiracy theorist?

Bombthecat 7y ago
Same as climate change, no info is real... I'm not sure it is because we humans grow stupid or we grow so tired and sceptical that accept nothing what our own eyes see... While still billions of people believe in Allah, God or whatever without any evidence. I dont know how this can happen...
- coldtea 7y ago
  >While still billions of people believe in Allah, God or whatever without any evidence. I dont know how this can happen... Isn't it obvious? In both cases people do the smart thing (which is not necessarily the "objectively correct" thing). Faith in Allah, God etc, is a good social glue, and is personally comforting, helping regulate emotions, etc. Similarly, not believing the Snowden story helps them fit with their social group (e.g. republicans), relaxes their mind from a whole lot of worries and concerns, helps re-enforce their personal beliefs (e.g. in good government), etc -- and most importantly, has no real disadvantage in their day to day life and work...
  - gargravarr 7y ago
    See also: Pascal's Wager[1] The leaks about mass-surveillance don't fit the criteria, as best I can tell. It's in their best interests not to, as you state. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
    - derpherpsson 7y ago
      Pascal's wager suffer from the fact that it can be any of the myrriads of religions that are correct. The chance of picking the correct one is infinitely small (assuming there are aliens that also have religions). Only a subset of the religions have anything like hell/heaven, further diminishing the risk.
      - Shorel 7y ago
        I think the main issue with Pascal's wager is that it puts all its eggs in the basket of some afterlife being a certainty. You can very well waste all your life in pointless prayer, like the monk who basically imprinted his feet on the wooden floor by praying several hours a day for decades. Even getting out of that room to help someone in a trivial task would have been much more useful than the praying. Not to mention the huge amount of censorship over your own thoughts that some religions impose on your life. So, IMO, if you get the wrong end of Pascal's wager, you can waste your only life, every infinitely valuable second of it (because there's no afterlife), over a non-existent afterlife. That's a hell of a wager to lose.
grecy 7y ago
> Did they not even investigate your claim? Or did they just settle with labeling you a crackpot conspiracy theorist? They kind of settled half way between "I don't believe that's possible / I don't care". For them, it makes zero difference in their lives, so they just don't want to invest time and energy into thinking about it.

Bombthecat 7y ago

Same as climate change, no info is real... I'm not sure it is because we humans grow stupid or we grow so tired and sceptical that accept nothing what our own eyes see... While still billions of people believe in Allah, God or whatever without any evidence. I dont know how this can happen...

coldtea 7y ago
>While still billions of people believe in Allah, God or whatever without any evidence. I dont know how this can happen... Isn't it obvious? In both cases people do the smart thing (which is not necessarily the "objectively correct" thing). Faith in Allah, God etc, is a good social glue, and is personally comforting, helping regulate emotions, etc. Similarly, not believing the Snowden story helps them fit with their social group (e.g. republicans), relaxes their mind from a whole lot of worries and concerns, helps re-enforce their personal beliefs (e.g. in good government), etc -- and most importantly, has no real disadvantage in their day to day life and work...
- gargravarr 7y ago
  See also: Pascal's Wager[1] The leaks about mass-surveillance don't fit the criteria, as best I can tell. It's in their best interests not to, as you state. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
  - derpherpsson 7y ago
    Pascal's wager suffer from the fact that it can be any of the myrriads of religions that are correct. The chance of picking the correct one is infinitely small (assuming there are aliens that also have religions). Only a subset of the religions have anything like hell/heaven, further diminishing the risk.
    - Shorel 7y ago
      I think the main issue with Pascal's wager is that it puts all its eggs in the basket of some afterlife being a certainty. You can very well waste all your life in pointless prayer, like the monk who basically imprinted his feet on the wooden floor by praying several hours a day for decades. Even getting out of that room to help someone in a trivial task would have been much more useful than the praying. Not to mention the huge amount of censorship over your own thoughts that some religions impose on your life. So, IMO, if you get the wrong end of Pascal's wager, you can waste your only life, every infinitely valuable second of it (because there's no afterlife), over a non-existent afterlife. That's a hell of a wager to lose.

grecy 7y ago

> Did they not even investigate your claim? Or did they just settle with labeling you a crackpot conspiracy theorist? They kind of settled half way between "I don't believe that's possible / I don't care". For them, it makes zero difference in their lives, so they just don't want to invest time and energy into thinking about it.