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You're right, I shouldn't have directed those comments that way in the end. But it's hard. Doctor's have personally attacked me over and over, to the point whe

You're right, I shouldn't have directed those comments that way in the end. But it's hard. Doctor's have personally attacked me over and over, to the point where I don't bother going to them anymore. I would show up to appointment after appointment asking for help with no clue as to what I had, and doctors and nurses were very quick to anger. I didn't question their intelligence. I didn't tell them theories about what I thought I had. All I did was try to describe what my body felt like. I think they thought I was faking to get drugs or something, but I really don't know. I never asked for any drugs. It was a nightmare.

brigandish 7y ago
I sympathise. The number of times I've had to push doctors to do anything at all is absurd (or should be absurd). They're frequently rude and unhelpful, often I have to try and diagnose myself and find out about tests or they'll not offer more than a shrug. I have to find out about contraindications too because of the number of times they've ignored things I tell them. However, I don't think it's about doctors per se, but about people who are arrogant⁎, I've seen plenty of techies do the same when, for example, someone with less knowledge of computers than them asks for support. I think it's still possible to be helpful by at least showing you care, even if you can't find an answer or don't have the time to be as effective as you could be. People often appreciate that just as much as a fix. ⁎I define arrogance as not listening due to over confidence, not overconfidence itself. Those who don't listen can only be overconfident, so it's also not a synonym for confidence.
robocat 7y ago
Totally agree. But it sounds like you are taking it personally. The doctors are embedded in a system and they act they way they do because their environment teaches them to, not because it is a personal attack against you. Doctors often deal with difficult people, and it takes care to avoid one being stereotyped: boxed into a label that doesn't help one. You don't want to be labelled: drug-seeker, hypochondriac, batshit crazy, or conceited know-it-all, etc. Use the doctors, listen to them, and treat them as people trying to help you; if you want to get treatment from them. I have seen it from a doctor's point of view (I have seen the patient stereotypes), and I think that the majority of us would act the same way as the doctors if we were put in their situation. I believe you completely need to be in charge of your own health solutions, and it is a good idea to explore safe variations of a variety of treatments - science works if you can be suitably objective with your measurements. But one variation you should properly trial is whatever the doctor says to. If it is a mental issue, then perhaps: 1. Get multiple videos of yourself interacting. Humans usually suck at self awareness when it comes to the psyche. 2. If you can find someone else with the same label that has it "worse" (as per a neutral third party), then try and watch how they act and often disown/deny/distort their world. Or watch videos online and see the weird and wonderful shit our brains do to us!!! I wish you good luck finding a solution that helps you.
- wavepruner 7y ago
  I don't think being embedded in a system is an excuse. Especially when that system takes money from people by force through mandatory insurance requirements and shuffling around costs so that you're paying for more than the service you want. Not to mention how the medical community criminalizes anyone but themselves providing healthcare, even though biochemists are better equipped to handle chronic illness. Doctors could work outside the system, and many do. Or they could quit being a doctor and work in the alternative healthcare industry in a myriad of ways, and many do. And how am I the difficult person when I tell a doctor that I have excruciating pain everywhere, they do some tests, the tests show that I'm "fine", and the doctor gets angry at me? Sounds like the doctor is the difficult person in this scenario. They assume that they are so correct that it justifies treating me like shit. Or maybe it's my illness that is difficult and the doctors are taking that personally and taking it out on me? This has happened to me over and over again and the interactions were always pleasant until tests came back negative. If I was the problem then wouldn't the interaction go poorly from the start? If a doctor can't help but stereotype people, then they are not a good candidate for the job and should be fired. I don't think there is a single industry in this country besides the healthcare industry that says they just can't help but stereotype people. I can't even get testing done without a doctor's approval. It's a racket. It's not a mental illness. And there are millions of sick people getting together online talking about the exact same experiences that I've had.

brigandish 7y ago

I sympathise. The number of times I've had to push doctors to do anything at all is absurd (or should be absurd). They're frequently rude and unhelpful, often I have to try and diagnose myself and find out about tests or they'll not offer more than a shrug. I have to find out about contraindications too because of the number of times they've ignored things I tell them. However, I don't think it's about doctors per se, but about people who are arrogant⁎, I've seen plenty of techies do the same when, for example, someone with less knowledge of computers than them asks for support. I think it's still possible to be helpful by at least showing you care, even if you can't find an answer or don't have the time to be as effective as you could be. People often appreciate that just as much as a fix. ⁎I define arrogance as not listening due to over confidence, not overconfidence itself. Those who don't listen can only be overconfident, so it's also not a synonym for confidence.

robocat 7y ago

Totally agree. But it sounds like you are taking it personally. The doctors are embedded in a system and they act they way they do because their environment teaches them to, not because it is a personal attack against you. Doctors often deal with difficult people, and it takes care to avoid one being stereotyped: boxed into a label that doesn't help one. You don't want to be labelled: drug-seeker, hypochondriac, batshit crazy, or conceited know-it-all, etc. Use the doctors, listen to them, and treat them as people trying to help you; if you want to get treatment from them. I have seen it from a doctor's point of view (I have seen the patient stereotypes), and I think that the majority of us would act the same way as the doctors if we were put in their situation. I believe you completely need to be in charge of your own health solutions, and it is a good idea to explore safe variations of a variety of treatments - science works if you can be suitably objective with your measurements. But one variation you should properly trial is whatever the doctor says to. If it is a mental issue, then perhaps: 1. Get multiple videos of yourself interacting. Humans usually suck at self awareness when it comes to the psyche. 2. If you can find someone else with the same label that has it "worse" (as per a neutral third party), then try and watch how they act and often disown/deny/distort their world. Or watch videos online and see the weird and wonderful shit our brains do to us!!! I wish you good luck finding a solution that helps you.

wavepruner 7y ago
I don't think being embedded in a system is an excuse. Especially when that system takes money from people by force through mandatory insurance requirements and shuffling around costs so that you're paying for more than the service you want. Not to mention how the medical community criminalizes anyone but themselves providing healthcare, even though biochemists are better equipped to handle chronic illness. Doctors could work outside the system, and many do. Or they could quit being a doctor and work in the alternative healthcare industry in a myriad of ways, and many do. And how am I the difficult person when I tell a doctor that I have excruciating pain everywhere, they do some tests, the tests show that I'm "fine", and the doctor gets angry at me? Sounds like the doctor is the difficult person in this scenario. They assume that they are so correct that it justifies treating me like shit. Or maybe it's my illness that is difficult and the doctors are taking that personally and taking it out on me? This has happened to me over and over again and the interactions were always pleasant until tests came back negative. If I was the problem then wouldn't the interaction go poorly from the start? If a doctor can't help but stereotype people, then they are not a good candidate for the job and should be fired. I don't think there is a single industry in this country besides the healthcare industry that says they just can't help but stereotype people. I can't even get testing done without a doctor's approval. It's a racket. It's not a mental illness. And there are millions of sick people getting together online talking about the exact same experiences that I've had.