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if they don't have the expertise, someone else with the expertise interested in access to the data will help them.

nevi-me 7y ago
Often at exorbitant cost in our case. The SSA is an unaccountable financial black hole. Our former president send to have also used them for his political gain, this Fraser chap is responsible for many misdeeds. Now parts of our country are literally burning, yet there's no crime intelligence about the very threats to the state that SSA should be monitoring for. There was an act of terror that was nearly committed 2 days ago, but we're seeing poor leadership from those involved.
- executesorder66 7y ago
  > There was an act of terror that was nearly committed 2 days ago Please can you provide a link to more info on this?
  - nroets 7y ago
    There are protests by truck drivers and some of these actions can be seen as terrorism. https://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/kwazulu-natal/two-trucks-set-alight-in-durban-as-cops-go-on-high-alert-ahead-of-expected-drivers-strike-31702530 https://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/kwazulu-natal/two-truck...
    - executesorder66 7y ago
      I don't think that is what they were alluding to. They said: "an act of terror that was _nearly_ committed"
godelski 7y ago
Hasn't China been doing this all over Africa and South America?
- dragonelite 7y ago
  Not only China, there are more then enough western countries that export these technologies.
- madlodlombe 7y ago
  Yup, in Africa China built and bugged (allegedly - China and the AU denied) the headquarters of the African Union in Addis Ababa: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/china-african-union-headquarters-bugging-spying https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/china-african-...
jldugger 7y ago
It's surprising to me at least because South Africa has a GDP per capita of $~6.1k, and perhaps can't afford access to that expertise. Which I suppose suggests that they didn't pay for it, and another nation state 'helped out' via intermediaries.
- toomanybeersies 7y ago
  GDP per capita isn't a great measurement for the capabilities of a state.
  - jldugger 7y ago
    You're right, it's probably better to look at GDP overall, since that's basically the tax base theoretically.
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  1. Its not uniformlly distributed. 2. China has GDP/person of ~$9,600 3. South Africa merrilly mines 4km below ground 4. Previous efforts included a nuclear weapons programme 5. Whole parts of Amazon's infa a built in CT Get out more.
  - jldugger 7y ago
    Apologies, you seem to have taken this a bit more personally intended. All I was intending to suggest was that the SA gov budget would be somewhat constraining its ambitions, not that its people are technologically behind, or whatever else you seem to be implying here.

Often at exorbitant cost in our case. The SSA is an unaccountable financial black hole. Our former president send to have also used them for his political gain, this Fraser chap is responsible for many misdeeds. Now parts of our country are literally burning, yet there's no crime intelligence about the very threats to the state that SSA should be monitoring for. There was an act of terror that was nearly committed 2 days ago, but we're seeing poor leadership from those involved.

executesorder66 7y ago
> There was an act of terror that was nearly committed 2 days ago Please can you provide a link to more info on this?
- nroets 7y ago
  There are protests by truck drivers and some of these actions can be seen as terrorism. https://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/kwazulu-natal/two-trucks-set-alight-in-durban-as-cops-go-on-high-alert-ahead-of-expected-drivers-strike-31702530 https://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/kwazulu-natal/two-truck...
  - executesorder66 7y ago
    I don't think that is what they were alluding to. They said: "an act of terror that was _nearly_ committed"

godelski 7y ago

Hasn't China been doing this all over Africa and South America?

dragonelite 7y ago
Not only China, there are more then enough western countries that export these technologies.
madlodlombe 7y ago
Yup, in Africa China built and bugged (allegedly - China and the AU denied) the headquarters of the African Union in Addis Ababa: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/china-african-union-headquarters-bugging-spying https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/china-african-...

jldugger 7y ago

It's surprising to me at least because South Africa has a GDP per capita of $~6.1k, and perhaps can't afford access to that expertise. Which I suppose suggests that they didn't pay for it, and another nation state 'helped out' via intermediaries.

toomanybeersies 7y ago
GDP per capita isn't a great measurement for the capabilities of a state.
- jldugger 7y ago
  You're right, it's probably better to look at GDP overall, since that's basically the tax base theoretically.
pinkfoot 7y ago
1. Its not uniformlly distributed. 2. China has GDP/person of ~$9,600 3. South Africa merrilly mines 4km below ground 4. Previous efforts included a nuclear weapons programme 5. Whole parts of Amazon's infa a built in CT Get out more.
- jldugger 7y ago
  Apologies, you seem to have taken this a bit more personally intended. All I was intending to suggest was that the SA gov budget would be somewhat constraining its ambitions, not that its people are technologically behind, or whatever else you seem to be implying here.