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I heard Al Haynes speak in a small group setting regarding this incident when I was in aviation college. The amount of composure they had to maintain to even g

I heard Al Haynes speak in a small group setting regarding this incident when I was in aviation college. The amount of composure they had to maintain to even get this aircraft near an airport was unbelievable.

js2 7y ago
Between the four pilots they had nearly 90,000 hours of flight time. Haynes had 30,000, of which ~7,200 where on type. Records had 20,000, Dvorak 15,000 and Fitch had 23,000. Fitch had amazingly practiced flying in a simulator with throttles-only after hearing about JAL 123. If any crew was going to land this plane, it was this one.
- dclowd9901 7y ago
  Amazing how that turns out. Like when Sulley had to ditch that flight into the Hudson, and just so happened to be an instructor of water landings. What are the odds?
  - GhettoMaestro 7y ago
    I love this quote by Sully after the incident: "One way of looking at this might be that, for 42 years, I've been making small regular deposits in this bank of experience: education and training," said US Airways Capt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger. "And on January 15, the balance was sufficient so that I could make a very large withdrawal." Absolute legend.
  - libria 7y ago
    Could be some survivor bias here. One 747 Max happened to have a jumpseat pilot who knew how to fix the MCAS issue and the plane flew on without issue and thus without much media coverage. [1] Presumably, 2 other 747 Max's didn't have enough SME's on board to save them and crashed. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/03/jump-seat-pilot-and-boeing-737-max/585301/ https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/03/jump-seat-pilot-an...
    - Ono-Sendai 7y ago
      737
    - quickthrower2 7y ago
      The survivor bias being, a regular plane crash story won't make it to HN page 1.
- chx 7y ago
  I heard that expression on live television in 2008 which turned out to be a nonevent: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-american-miami/faulty-american-airlines-jet-lands-safely-in-miami-idUSN2237412020080222 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-american-miami/faulty... I happened to be in the USA and watching this on TV and they said this about the pilot, who had some ridiculous amounts of flight experience, if I remember correctly decades in the Air Force and then even more as a commercial pilot and they said if this happens, he is the best to happen to. He landed that plane, no problems.

js2 7y ago

Between the four pilots they had nearly 90,000 hours of flight time. Haynes had 30,000, of which ~7,200 where on type. Records had 20,000, Dvorak 15,000 and Fitch had 23,000. Fitch had amazingly practiced flying in a simulator with throttles-only after hearing about JAL 123. If any crew was going to land this plane, it was this one.

dclowd9901 7y ago
Amazing how that turns out. Like when Sulley had to ditch that flight into the Hudson, and just so happened to be an instructor of water landings. What are the odds?
- GhettoMaestro 7y ago
  I love this quote by Sully after the incident: "One way of looking at this might be that, for 42 years, I've been making small regular deposits in this bank of experience: education and training," said US Airways Capt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger. "And on January 15, the balance was sufficient so that I could make a very large withdrawal." Absolute legend.
- libria 7y ago
  Could be some survivor bias here. One 747 Max happened to have a jumpseat pilot who knew how to fix the MCAS issue and the plane flew on without issue and thus without much media coverage. [1] Presumably, 2 other 747 Max's didn't have enough SME's on board to save them and crashed. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/03/jump-seat-pilot-and-boeing-737-max/585301/ https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/03/jump-seat-pilot-an...
  - Ono-Sendai 7y ago
    737
  - quickthrower2 7y ago
    The survivor bias being, a regular plane crash story won't make it to HN page 1.
chx 7y ago
I heard that expression on live television in 2008 which turned out to be a nonevent: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-american-miami/faulty-american-airlines-jet-lands-safely-in-miami-idUSN2237412020080222 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-american-miami/faulty... I happened to be in the USA and watching this on TV and they said this about the pilot, who had some ridiculous amounts of flight experience, if I remember correctly decades in the Air Force and then even more as a commercial pilot and they said if this happens, he is the best to happen to. He landed that plane, no problems.