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Don't forget Manning and Assange which are currently both in Prison.

by sschueller 7y ago

mieseratte 7y ago
Manning was pardoned for her leaks.
- lawn 7y ago
  I thought her sentence was commuted which only reduces her sentence but it doesn't wash away her guilt. Edit: Also she's back in prison for refusing to testify against Assange.
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    > Edit: Also she's back in prison for refusing to testify against Assange. Well that's orthogonal to punishment for leaks.
- vuln 7y ago
  She was never pardoned. Obama commuted most of her remaining sentence. There is a big difference between pardoned and commuted.
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    Ah then I'm in the wrong, bit different. Bit strange that they went for one and not the other, really.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  On the contrary. And if anything Manning is proof that Snowden got it right: the system will happily take revenge.
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    Well, yes, having done the paperwork for a clearance at one point, I can assure you the Federal Government makes it very clear what happens to you if you betray your oath such that Snowden need not see Manning to know the outcome. Whether you consider that moral is another matter.
Legogris 7y ago
And Ola Bini, Swedish engineerwith ties to Assange held without charges in Ecuador. Time is ticking for him and this has received very little coverage (I am from Sweden and only learned about it from a conference talk). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ola_Bini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ola_Bini https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/14/ola_bini_ecuador_arrest_wikileaks_assange https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/14/ola_bini_ecuador_arre...
- obiefernandez 7y ago
  He's out on bail
  - Legogris 7y ago
    Damn, you're right. And the only mention I see on this is announcements from Amnesty[0] and EFF[1], and his own Twitter feed[2]. Zero mentions in national news whatsoever. It seems he's now actually being charged with cybercrime due to a photo they found in his phone of opening a telnet connection to a particular IP. No login attempts, just opening a connection and taking a photo of the login banner. They're also looking into his visa status and taxes. It should be obvious that this is a political case. [0]: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/08/ecuador-gobierno-interfiere-en-proceso-penal-contra-ola-bini/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/08/ecuador-gobie... [1]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/ola-bini-prosecutors-wrap-investigation-amnesty-calls-out-human-rights-violations https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/ola-bini-prosecutors-w... [2]: https://twitter.com/olabini https://twitter.com/olabini
r00fus 7y ago
Nor Reality Winner. She called out the Russian electoral tampering and was imprisoned for 5 years after agreeing to a guilty charge.

Don't forget Manning and Assange which are currently both in Prison.

mieseratte 7y ago

Manning was pardoned for her leaks.

lawn 7y ago
I thought her sentence was commuted which only reduces her sentence but it doesn't wash away her guilt. Edit: Also she's back in prison for refusing to testify against Assange.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  > Edit: Also she's back in prison for refusing to testify against Assange. Well that's orthogonal to punishment for leaks.
vuln 7y ago
She was never pardoned. Obama commuted most of her remaining sentence. There is a big difference between pardoned and commuted.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  Ah then I'm in the wrong, bit different. Bit strange that they went for one and not the other, really.
jacquesm 7y ago
On the contrary. And if anything Manning is proof that Snowden got it right: the system will happily take revenge.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  Well, yes, having done the paperwork for a clearance at one point, I can assure you the Federal Government makes it very clear what happens to you if you betray your oath such that Snowden need not see Manning to know the outcome. Whether you consider that moral is another matter.

Legogris 7y ago

And Ola Bini, Swedish engineerwith ties to Assange held without charges in Ecuador. Time is ticking for him and this has received very little coverage (I am from Sweden and only learned about it from a conference talk). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ola_Bini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ola_Bini https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/14/ola_bini_ecuador_arrest_wikileaks_assange https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/14/ola_bini_ecuador_arre...

obiefernandez 7y ago
He's out on bail
- Legogris 7y ago
  Damn, you're right. And the only mention I see on this is announcements from Amnesty[0] and EFF[1], and his own Twitter feed[2]. Zero mentions in national news whatsoever. It seems he's now actually being charged with cybercrime due to a photo they found in his phone of opening a telnet connection to a particular IP. No login attempts, just opening a connection and taking a photo of the login banner. They're also looking into his visa status and taxes. It should be obvious that this is a political case. [0]: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/08/ecuador-gobierno-interfiere-en-proceso-penal-contra-ola-bini/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/08/ecuador-gobie... [1]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/ola-bini-prosecutors-wrap-investigation-amnesty-calls-out-human-rights-violations https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/ola-bini-prosecutors-w... [2]: https://twitter.com/olabini https://twitter.com/olabini

r00fus 7y ago

Nor Reality Winner. She called out the Russian electoral tampering and was imprisoned for 5 years after agreeing to a guilty charge.