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> Not sure how the author decides what is ordinary and what is transcendent. This. Why should I allow anyone to define what kinds of art should I find transcen

> Not sure how the author decides what is ordinary and what is transcendent. This. Why should I allow anyone to define what kinds of art should I find transcendent and, worse, which kinds of art are non-transcendent? This article is weird and full of stereotypes; it's written from the point as if art was easily and objectively classifiable. No, art is not classifiable like that, and something that one man calls everyday trash can be eye-opening and mind-blowing to another. This fact alone disproves the main assumption that this article is based on, and breaks the point of the whole article for me.

justanothersys 7y ago
Art’s subjectivity has been debated since forever. It’s not a fact. That being said, I also didn’t enjoy the point of view in the article very much and I mostly agree with your sentiment.
scrdhrt 7y ago
Art is whatever you get away with.
- chmod775 7y ago
  Or rather, at times the work of art isn't your creation, but the fact that you managed to get away with, say, a blank canvas.
coldtea 7y ago
>This. Why should I allow anyone to define what kinds of art should I find transcendent and, worse, which kinds of art are non-transcendent? Because else you're in an endless loop, where you define what you like by what you like. It is (or, perhaps, it has been) generally understood, that being schooled into things, learning about them, their history, aesthetic rivalries and ideas abotu them, and appreciating the cultured opinions of people who have studied them more, helps one appreciate finer things and cultivate their preferences. The alternative, "because I like it", sounds like a regression to childhood.
- phoe-krk 7y ago
  You misunderstood my question. I asked, "Why should I allow anyone to define what kinds of art should I find transcendent and, worse, which kinds of art are non-transcendent?", with a stress on the "I". I find it worthwhile to listen to people who describe what touches them and what they are indifferent to. However, the tone of the article describes the "mundane" and the "extraordinary" from an objectivesque point of view, which I personally find silly due to the fact that art is an inherently subjective experience.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >However, the tone of the article describes the "mundane" and the "extraordinary" from an objectivesque point of view, which I personally find silly due to the fact that art is an inherently subjective experience. I don't think that's settled. For that matter, I don't think that's true.
  - ulisesrmzroche 7y ago
    It’s not inherently subjective. There’s good and shit. Like how there’s good code and shit code.
Fricken 7y ago
Those who are aspirational in their appreciation of art do tend to gravitate towards the same shit. The first time you're exposed to a cliche it could very well be mind blowing, but after getting through a wide enough body of work you start recognize the common patterns and eventually get sick of the cliches and you appreciate the stuff out there that actually broke ground, and moved the needle a bit. I've only heard the 'art is subjective' defense from people with uncultivated tastes. Myself, I don't know much about chemistry, and something I don't do is wander into conversations with chemists and expect my unfounded opinion to be anything other than a nuisance to them. When it comes to art, for some reason, people who haven't done their homework nonetheless expect their opinion to matter.

justanothersys 7y ago

Art’s subjectivity has been debated since forever. It’s not a fact. That being said, I also didn’t enjoy the point of view in the article very much and I mostly agree with your sentiment.

scrdhrt 7y ago

Art is whatever you get away with.

chmod775 7y ago
Or rather, at times the work of art isn't your creation, but the fact that you managed to get away with, say, a blank canvas.

coldtea 7y ago

>This. Why should I allow anyone to define what kinds of art should I find transcendent and, worse, which kinds of art are non-transcendent? Because else you're in an endless loop, where you define what you like by what you like. It is (or, perhaps, it has been) generally understood, that being schooled into things, learning about them, their history, aesthetic rivalries and ideas abotu them, and appreciating the cultured opinions of people who have studied them more, helps one appreciate finer things and cultivate their preferences. The alternative, "because I like it", sounds like a regression to childhood.

phoe-krk 7y ago
You misunderstood my question. I asked, "Why should I allow anyone to define what kinds of art should I find transcendent and, worse, which kinds of art are non-transcendent?", with a stress on the "I". I find it worthwhile to listen to people who describe what touches them and what they are indifferent to. However, the tone of the article describes the "mundane" and the "extraordinary" from an objectivesque point of view, which I personally find silly due to the fact that art is an inherently subjective experience.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >However, the tone of the article describes the "mundane" and the "extraordinary" from an objectivesque point of view, which I personally find silly due to the fact that art is an inherently subjective experience. I don't think that's settled. For that matter, I don't think that's true.
- ulisesrmzroche 7y ago
  It’s not inherently subjective. There’s good and shit. Like how there’s good code and shit code.

Fricken 7y ago

Those who are aspirational in their appreciation of art do tend to gravitate towards the same shit. The first time you're exposed to a cliche it could very well be mind blowing, but after getting through a wide enough body of work you start recognize the common patterns and eventually get sick of the cliches and you appreciate the stuff out there that actually broke ground, and moved the needle a bit. I've only heard the 'art is subjective' defense from people with uncultivated tastes. Myself, I don't know much about chemistry, and something I don't do is wander into conversations with chemists and expect my unfounded opinion to be anything other than a nuisance to them. When it comes to art, for some reason, people who haven't done their homework nonetheless expect their opinion to matter.