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You can still buy cars with two stroke engines today. In Europe they're these mini cars sold to teenagers and old people because they don't require a full drivi

You can still buy cars with two stroke engines today. In Europe they're these mini cars sold to teenagers and old people because they don't require a full driving license.

detaro 7y ago
I suspect even there two-stroke is getting rare, as it is in motorbikes. E.g. I think here in Germany it's basically impossible to get a new model of two-stroke vehicle licensed.
- pedrocr 7y ago
  I'm thinking of these things: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_classification) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_clas... With a limitation of 50cc capacity a four-stroke may be hard. But they should all be replaced by the electric subclass very easily these days.
  - C1sc0cat 7y ago
    It still not quite there yet for all uses of a 50cc and its quite a bit more expensive eg the Vespa Electrica
- phillc73 7y ago
  Two-stroke engines don't have to be environmentally a poorer choice than four-stoke engines. Evinrude's e-tec two-stroke outboard engines are quite popular and have received awards for low emission levels.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evinrude_Outboard_Motors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evinrude_Outboard_Motors
  - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
    I wasn't aware of this: With direct fuel injection and a sump-based lubrication system, a two-stroke engine produces air pollution no worse than a four-stroke, and it can achieve higher thermodynamic efficiency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke_engine#Applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke_engine#Applications
- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  That's what I thought, you have not been able to buy a traditional two stroke scooter in the EU for several years now
TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
Interesting. I've tried a few searches and haven't found anything. Are you able to provide more information to refine my search, or do you know the names of any of these cars?
- ahje 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_classification) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_classi...
- ptaipale 7y ago
  The microcars over here in Finland are often brands Aixam or Ligier or, well, Microcar. These are French manufacturers. Top speed is limited to 45 km/h, and they are smaller than Trabant, but otherwise they resemble it in many respects. They cost as much as small real cars, and are vastly poorer in practically all respects (serviceability, fuel consumption, driveability, equipment, collision safety). Finnish government plans to enable "normal" cars to be equipped with speed limiters to 60 km/h so that a 16-year-old with a minicar license can drive them. EU is not happy.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
    Thank you.

You can still buy cars with two stroke engines today. In Europe they're these mini cars sold to teenagers and old people because they don't require a full driving license.

detaro 7y ago

I suspect even there two-stroke is getting rare, as it is in motorbikes. E.g. I think here in Germany it's basically impossible to get a new model of two-stroke vehicle licensed.

pedrocr 7y ago
I'm thinking of these things: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_classification) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_clas... With a limitation of 50cc capacity a four-stroke may be hard. But they should all be replaced by the electric subclass very easily these days.
- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  It still not quite there yet for all uses of a 50cc and its quite a bit more expensive eg the Vespa Electrica
phillc73 7y ago
Two-stroke engines don't have to be environmentally a poorer choice than four-stoke engines. Evinrude's e-tec two-stroke outboard engines are quite popular and have received awards for low emission levels.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evinrude_Outboard_Motors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evinrude_Outboard_Motors
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  I wasn't aware of this: With direct fuel injection and a sump-based lubrication system, a two-stroke engine produces air pollution no worse than a four-stroke, and it can achieve higher thermodynamic efficiency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke_engine#Applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke_engine#Applications
C1sc0cat 7y ago
That's what I thought, you have not been able to buy a traditional two stroke scooter in the EU for several years now

TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago

Interesting. I've tried a few searches and haven't found anything. Are you able to provide more information to refine my search, or do you know the names of any of these cars?

ahje 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_classification) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle_(EU_vehicle_classi...
ptaipale 7y ago
The microcars over here in Finland are often brands Aixam or Ligier or, well, Microcar. These are French manufacturers. Top speed is limited to 45 km/h, and they are smaller than Trabant, but otherwise they resemble it in many respects. They cost as much as small real cars, and are vastly poorer in practically all respects (serviceability, fuel consumption, driveability, equipment, collision safety). Finnish government plans to enable "normal" cars to be equipped with speed limiters to 60 km/h so that a 16-year-old with a minicar license can drive them. EU is not happy.
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  Thank you.