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Not only are there Islamic themes, there are also Jewish themes. The name "Kwisatz Haderach" is based on Hebrew. (This is mentioned in the list.)

by sn41 7y ago

Anothernhym 7y ago
In the later books, perhaps the ones by Brian Herbert, they discover a planet of Jews, mostly unchanged for 15,000 years, except they have created some self-fashioned bene gesseret-like women.
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  last Frank Herbert book Chapter House Dune and from what I remember it was more like an underground society of Jewsish people who kept their beliefs completely unchanged over the thousands of years, as opposed to all the other religions and societies. I think it was politically organised along matriarchal lines but there were still male rabbis. I shoul read it again it's been decades! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapterhouse:_Dune https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapterhouse:_Dune
  - Anothernhym 7y ago
    The story line was really fascinating, especially the conflict and eventual merger with "The Whores".. However, when he wrote the last two books, beginning with the beautiful introductional ode to Herbert's deceased wife, .. it's clear his heart wasn't in it, and he was ready for the end (of either writing, or his days on the earth).
raverbashing 7y ago
Arabic and Hebrew both have a common ancestor: proto-Semitic There's an interesting link of correspondence between them, the letter: ش in Arabic corresponds to ש in Hebrew (and Ш in Cyrillic) having more or less the same sound.
parsimo2010 7y ago
There are a number of religious themes blended in Dune. The main religious text is the Orange Catholic Bible, which by name implicates Catholicism/Christianity, but also includes Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism. It even includes hypothetical blends of Islam/Buddhism and Christianity/Buddhism. Frank Herbert never fully explains how all religions eventually ended up blended into one, but he does explore the religion quite a bit, and some background is given in the prequels that his son wrote. I enjoy it, because I feel very clever when I recognize how some idea in Dune can be traced to an existing religion or philosophy. https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Orange_Catholic_Bible https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Orange_Catholic_Bible Edit: to speak more to your main topic, I believe the Bene Gesserit tradition of following matriarchal lineage comes from some part of Judaism.
- fjfaase 7y ago
  'Catholic' does not neccessary refer to Roman Catholic and/or Christianity. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term)
  - parsimo2010 7y ago
    It does 99.9% of the time, with the 0.1% exception coming from people that are being pedantic. The Wikipedia page you linked to is part of a series on Christianity, and it's pretty clear in Herbert's writing that the Orange Catholics do have Christian influences (alongside the previously mentioned Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism).

Not only are there Islamic themes, there are also Jewish themes. The name "Kwisatz Haderach" is based on Hebrew. (This is mentioned in the list.)

by sn41 7y ago

Not only are there Islamic themes, there are also Jewish themes. The name "Kwisatz Haderach" is based on Hebrew. (This is mentioned in the list.)

Anothernhym 7y ago

In the later books, perhaps the ones by Brian Herbert, they discover a planet of Jews, mostly unchanged for 15,000 years, except they have created some self-fashioned bene gesseret-like women.

thinkingemote 7y ago
last Frank Herbert book Chapter House Dune and from what I remember it was more like an underground society of Jewsish people who kept their beliefs completely unchanged over the thousands of years, as opposed to all the other religions and societies. I think it was politically organised along matriarchal lines but there were still male rabbis. I shoul read it again it's been decades! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapterhouse:_Dune https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapterhouse:_Dune
- Anothernhym 7y ago
  The story line was really fascinating, especially the conflict and eventual merger with "The Whores".. However, when he wrote the last two books, beginning with the beautiful introductional ode to Herbert's deceased wife, .. it's clear his heart wasn't in it, and he was ready for the end (of either writing, or his days on the earth).

raverbashing 7y ago

Arabic and Hebrew both have a common ancestor: proto-Semitic There's an interesting link of correspondence between them, the letter: ش in Arabic corresponds to ש in Hebrew (and Ш in Cyrillic) having more or less the same sound.

parsimo2010 7y ago

There are a number of religious themes blended in Dune. The main religious text is the Orange Catholic Bible, which by name implicates Catholicism/Christianity, but also includes Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism. It even includes hypothetical blends of Islam/Buddhism and Christianity/Buddhism. Frank Herbert never fully explains how all religions eventually ended up blended into one, but he does explore the religion quite a bit, and some background is given in the prequels that his son wrote. I enjoy it, because I feel very clever when I recognize how some idea in Dune can be traced to an existing religion or philosophy. https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Orange_Catholic_Bible https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Orange_Catholic_Bible Edit: to speak more to your main topic, I believe the Bene Gesserit tradition of following matriarchal lineage comes from some part of Judaism.

fjfaase 7y ago
'Catholic' does not neccessary refer to Roman Catholic and/or Christianity. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term)
- parsimo2010 7y ago
  It does 99.9% of the time, with the 0.1% exception coming from people that are being pedantic. The Wikipedia page you linked to is part of a series on Christianity, and it's pretty clear in Herbert's writing that the Orange Catholics do have Christian influences (alongside the previously mentioned Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism).