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There is a community of Tesla critics out there, but they are so vocal because they've done something very strange. They mostly exist on Twitter, but they all

There is a community of Tesla critics out there, but they are so vocal because they've done something very strange. They mostly exist on Twitter, but they all share the same block list. Anyone who argues with them or says anything positive about Tesla gets put on that blocklist by anyone else that shares it. Their reality is very skewed. All they see on Twitter is hatred against Elon, 'proof' everything he does is a scam, misleading sales numbers and hype about competitors. The only thing they can possibly see is basically a conspiracy theory. And so they are very vocal because they can't believe anyone could support Tesla/Elon, because they have never seen a good reason to. There is one guy that runs an investment company, 70% of his investment is shorting Tesla and he consistently complains about losing money doing so, but always saying the scam will finally be revealed 'soon'.

BoorishBears 7y ago
I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died. I don't like Elon because he went on Twitter to blame them for dying when he's also the one who likes to coyly imply your hands are only on the wheel for government reasons. I don't like Elon because of the foolish 420 tweet and his subsequent interactions with the SEC. I don't like Elon because of his alarmist nonsense in relation to AGI when the real threat, institutionalization of societal bias in ML is literally at our door step, because talking about Skynet makes you more popular I don't like Elon because his company tricked people with their CPO program which silently switched to a used car program and started sensing people cars with undocumented body damage and tor nail clippings under the seats. I don't like Elon because of the hubris he showed insulting companies Toyota and their literally game changing assembly processes then not showing anything for all that talk I don't like Elon because he's building companies on the backs of engineers who are overworked and mistreated and expected to drink the kool aid while acting like building overpriced luxury cars is saving the earth. Do I need to go on or is at least one these a good enough reason to not be carted off as a crazy conspiracy theorist who unreasonably dislikes him?
- bitexploder 7y ago
  I am curious about this one: “I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died.” Most of the other ones vary in magnitude and specificity, but it’s fine with me if you don’t like Elon, he is a polarizing figure right now.
  - BoorishBears 7y ago
    Autopilot's exact suite of sensors from Mobileye was in plenty of other cars and just not pushed to it's limits and was marketed as something that augments the driver in exceptional cases, rather than having the driver augment the system in exceptional cases, something we know kills people. Additionally, it's shortcomings with stationary object detection were already well known, this is why full AEB on many cars is disabled at highway speeds. And I didn't make this comment to say I dislike Elon, I could say that with three words. Instead I take issue with the above comment's characterization of his detractors. The above comment goes out of it's way to act like Elon's vocal opposition is a bunch of crackpots, which is silly.
  - BoorishBears 7y ago
    I know this goes against culture on here, but I'll say it anyways. It's _very_ strange that my comment above was flagged, while the comment it replied to was not. I didn't say "I don't like Elon because he's a big stinky doodoo head", I gave legitimate missteps he and his company have made, some of which came at the cost of human life. And it wasn't non-sequitur, I am replying to a comment about his detractors and thought it plenty fair to show my rationale for being one of them If anything the comment it's replying to attempts to denigrate a large group of people in the hand-waviest way possible. I mean "they have the same blocklists on Twitter", really? This is the level of discourse that's acceptable while my comment is somehow unacceptable? And to be clear, I don't think any comment in this thread should be flagged, it's silly the parent post to that comment is also flagged. People often say "We're all adults" to imply somehow no negative commentary should exist. To me "We're all adults" means we should all be capable of reading a comment with a negative tone without having a meltdown. Especially if the negatively toned comment has actual objective content.

BoorishBears 7y ago

I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died. I don't like Elon because he went on Twitter to blame them for dying when he's also the one who likes to coyly imply your hands are only on the wheel for government reasons. I don't like Elon because of the foolish 420 tweet and his subsequent interactions with the SEC. I don't like Elon because of his alarmist nonsense in relation to AGI when the real threat, institutionalization of societal bias in ML is literally at our door step, because talking about Skynet makes you more popular I don't like Elon because his company tricked people with their CPO program which silently switched to a used car program and started sensing people cars with undocumented body damage and tor nail clippings under the seats. I don't like Elon because of the hubris he showed insulting companies Toyota and their literally game changing assembly processes then not showing anything for all that talk I don't like Elon because he's building companies on the backs of engineers who are overworked and mistreated and expected to drink the kool aid while acting like building overpriced luxury cars is saving the earth. Do I need to go on or is at least one these a good enough reason to not be carted off as a crazy conspiracy theorist who unreasonably dislikes him?

bitexploder 7y ago
I am curious about this one: “I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died.” Most of the other ones vary in magnitude and specificity, but it’s fine with me if you don’t like Elon, he is a polarizing figure right now.
- BoorishBears 7y ago
  Autopilot's exact suite of sensors from Mobileye was in plenty of other cars and just not pushed to it's limits and was marketed as something that augments the driver in exceptional cases, rather than having the driver augment the system in exceptional cases, something we know kills people. Additionally, it's shortcomings with stationary object detection were already well known, this is why full AEB on many cars is disabled at highway speeds. And I didn't make this comment to say I dislike Elon, I could say that with three words. Instead I take issue with the above comment's characterization of his detractors. The above comment goes out of it's way to act like Elon's vocal opposition is a bunch of crackpots, which is silly.
- BoorishBears 7y ago
  I know this goes against culture on here, but I'll say it anyways. It's _very_ strange that my comment above was flagged, while the comment it replied to was not. I didn't say "I don't like Elon because he's a big stinky doodoo head", I gave legitimate missteps he and his company have made, some of which came at the cost of human life. And it wasn't non-sequitur, I am replying to a comment about his detractors and thought it plenty fair to show my rationale for being one of them If anything the comment it's replying to attempts to denigrate a large group of people in the hand-waviest way possible. I mean "they have the same blocklists on Twitter", really? This is the level of discourse that's acceptable while my comment is somehow unacceptable? And to be clear, I don't think any comment in this thread should be flagged, it's silly the parent post to that comment is also flagged. People often say "We're all adults" to imply somehow no negative commentary should exist. To me "We're all adults" means we should all be capable of reading a comment with a negative tone without having a meltdown. Especially if the negatively toned comment has actual objective content.