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Smoking tobacco is remarkably dangerous. It would be surprising for vaping to be anywhere near as dangerous as smoking tobacco, especially because you don't hav

by DanBC 7y ago

Smoking tobacco is remarkably dangerous. It would be surprising for vaping to be anywhere near as dangerous as smoking tobacco, especially because you don't have the tar.

shkkmo 7y ago
I agree in that I would also be surprised to find out that smoking is overall safer than vaping. (Though I do suspect there are certain risks that are still higher with vaping while others are lower than with smoking) Claiming that vaping is orders of magnitude safer than smoking, without proof, is still highly irresponsible. We simply don't know how safe vaping is. The history of making safety claims about addictive products is quite fraught with delibratly misleading and false statements. Please take care not to exacerbate this.
- rhizome 7y ago
  We simply don't know how safe vaping is. Why do you say this so categorically? "...[R]ats were nose-only exposed to filtered air, nebulized vehicle (saline), or three concentrations of PG/VG mixtures, with and without nicotine...Compared with vehicle exposure, the PG/VG aerosols showed only very limited biological effects with no signs of toxicity." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28882640 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28882640 Propylene glycol has been used as a carrier for pulmonary inhalers as well as in food and cosmetics for decades.
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    While there is evidence showing the short term safety of inhalation, there is no evidence as to the long term effects of consistent repeated exposure. > Propylene glycol has been used as a carrier for pulmonary inhalers as well as in food and cosmetics for decades. Propylene glycol was deemed safe for oral consumption, not inhalation. I have not seen any sources of information indicating its use in pulmonary inhalers, do you have some sources you can link?
    - wahern 7y ago
      s/inhalers/nebulizers/ See, e.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745 It's also listed as approved as an inactive ingredient by the FDA, including for inhalation: PROPYLENE GLYCOL | RESPIRATORY (INHALATION) | LIQUID | 57556 | 6DC9Q167V3 | 10%w/w PROPYLENE GLYCOL | RESPIRATORY (INHALATION) | SOLUTION | 57556 | 6DC9Q167V3 | 25%w/w Source: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/iig/index.cfm?event=browseByLetter.page&Letter=P https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/iig/index.cfm?ev..., page 39.

by DanBC 7y ago

Smoking tobacco is remarkably dangerous. It would be surprising for vaping to be anywhere near as dangerous as smoking tobacco, especially because you don't have the tar.

shkkmo 7y ago

I agree in that I would also be surprised to find out that smoking is overall safer than vaping. (Though I do suspect there are certain risks that are still higher with vaping while others are lower than with smoking) Claiming that vaping is orders of magnitude safer than smoking, without proof, is still highly irresponsible. We simply don't know how safe vaping is. The history of making safety claims about addictive products is quite fraught with delibratly misleading and false statements. Please take care not to exacerbate this.

rhizome 7y ago
We simply don't know how safe vaping is. Why do you say this so categorically? "...[R]ats were nose-only exposed to filtered air, nebulized vehicle (saline), or three concentrations of PG/VG mixtures, with and without nicotine...Compared with vehicle exposure, the PG/VG aerosols showed only very limited biological effects with no signs of toxicity." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28882640 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28882640 Propylene glycol has been used as a carrier for pulmonary inhalers as well as in food and cosmetics for decades.
- shkkmo 7y ago
  While there is evidence showing the short term safety of inhalation, there is no evidence as to the long term effects of consistent repeated exposure. > Propylene glycol has been used as a carrier for pulmonary inhalers as well as in food and cosmetics for decades. Propylene glycol was deemed safe for oral consumption, not inhalation. I have not seen any sources of information indicating its use in pulmonary inhalers, do you have some sources you can link?
  - wahern 7y ago
    s/inhalers/nebulizers/ See, e.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12425745 It's also listed as approved as an inactive ingredient by the FDA, including for inhalation: PROPYLENE GLYCOL | RESPIRATORY (INHALATION) | LIQUID | 57556 | 6DC9Q167V3 | 10%w/w PROPYLENE GLYCOL | RESPIRATORY (INHALATION) | SOLUTION | 57556 | 6DC9Q167V3 | 25%w/w Source: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/iig/index.cfm?event=browseByLetter.page&Letter=P https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/iig/index.cfm?ev..., page 39.