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> No secret organization assassinated Kennedy. I really enjoyed this book, and found it very convincing. I don't want to start a thread where we argue over c

> No secret organization assassinated Kennedy. I really enjoyed this book, and found it very convincing. I don't want to start a thread where we argue over conspiracy theories but just thought I'd add the link if you're interested. https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Government-ebook/dp/B00SFZB93Y https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Gov...

diminoten 7y ago
I'm generally not interested, considering I know that logic and reason are not generally great models for the world without falsifiability and predictability, and neither are abundant in conspiracy "theories".
- hanniabu 7y ago
  Sounds like the only thing that would convince you is the government speaking out and saying they've been doing this, but I think it's obvious that would never happen. We should all only believe what the government fesses up to, they'd obviously tell us if they were doing any wrongdoing. /s
  - diminoten 7y ago
    No, that's simply you trying to re-create the classic lines of this argument. You need there to be someone in control, it's the only way you stay sane, and it bothers you to no end that there simply isn't. It's the same argument religion gives, but I doubt you fall for that one, do you? Kind of funny, how inconsistent you are.
    - jddj 7y ago
      Your assumption here is that the other commenter is projecting some kind of perfect planning, coordination, foresight and execution onto these agencies. But they can be doing evil things which are in their interest without it being some situation of perfect control. It's simply that: evil shit they hope they can get away with, which if successful will probably be in their interests. Throughout history, this has been the norm for any group with power but without sufficient oversight.
      - diminoten 7y ago
        Groups of people doing evil things a conspiracy theory does not make. Conspiracy theories are about alternative and under-substantiated explanations of already-explained events. "Evil shit" happens. Coordinated disinformation campaigns to misdirect the public over a long period of time by large unknown groups does not. My "assumption" is not any kind of strawman absurdist extreme (I never said anything about perfection but nice try), it's simply the reality that conspiracy theories are hallmarked by three distinct attributes that make them categorically nonsense: lack of relevant and credible evidence, lack of falsifiability, and lack of predictiveness. They literally meet none of the criteria of the definition of a theory, which is why they're a joke and have no place in rational conversation.
        hanniabu 7y ago
        > Conspiracy theories are about alternative and under-substantiated explanations of already-explained events. I don't believe Kennedy's assassination with Oswald acting alone has been explained, so it sounds like that's a conspiracy.
        diminoten 7y ago
        The Warren Commission would like a word, not to mention the literal JFK Records Act...

diminoten 7y ago

I'm generally not interested, considering I know that logic and reason are not generally great models for the world without falsifiability and predictability, and neither are abundant in conspiracy "theories".

hanniabu 7y ago
Sounds like the only thing that would convince you is the government speaking out and saying they've been doing this, but I think it's obvious that would never happen. We should all only believe what the government fesses up to, they'd obviously tell us if they were doing any wrongdoing. /s
- diminoten 7y ago
  No, that's simply you trying to re-create the classic lines of this argument. You need there to be someone in control, it's the only way you stay sane, and it bothers you to no end that there simply isn't. It's the same argument religion gives, but I doubt you fall for that one, do you? Kind of funny, how inconsistent you are.
  - jddj 7y ago
    Your assumption here is that the other commenter is projecting some kind of perfect planning, coordination, foresight and execution onto these agencies. But they can be doing evil things which are in their interest without it being some situation of perfect control. It's simply that: evil shit they hope they can get away with, which if successful will probably be in their interests. Throughout history, this has been the norm for any group with power but without sufficient oversight.
    - diminoten 7y ago
      Groups of people doing evil things a conspiracy theory does not make. Conspiracy theories are about alternative and under-substantiated explanations of already-explained events. "Evil shit" happens. Coordinated disinformation campaigns to misdirect the public over a long period of time by large unknown groups does not. My "assumption" is not any kind of strawman absurdist extreme (I never said anything about perfection but nice try), it's simply the reality that conspiracy theories are hallmarked by three distinct attributes that make them categorically nonsense: lack of relevant and credible evidence, lack of falsifiability, and lack of predictiveness. They literally meet none of the criteria of the definition of a theory, which is why they're a joke and have no place in rational conversation.
      - hanniabu 7y ago
        > Conspiracy theories are about alternative and under-substantiated explanations of already-explained events. I don't believe Kennedy's assassination with Oswald acting alone has been explained, so it sounds like that's a conspiracy.
        diminoten 7y ago
        The Warren Commission would like a word, not to mention the literal JFK Records Act...